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LawNext

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LawNext is a weekly podcast hosted by Bob Ambrogi, who is internationally known for his writing and speaking on legal technology and innovation. Each week, Bob interviews the innovators and entrepreneurs who are driving what’s next in the legal industry. From legal technology startups to new law firm business models to enhancing access to justice, Bob and his guests explore the future of law and legal practice.
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Ep 296: How LexisNexis and Harvey Are Partnering to Reshape Legal AI, with LexisNexis CEO Sean Fitzpatrick

When legal research giant LexisNexis and legal AI giant Harvey announced a strategic alliance last month , legal tech commentator Richard Tromans called it “possibly the most important legal tech move in a decade.” On today’s episode of LawNext, we go deep into the partnership and its implications with Sean Fitzpatrick , CEO of LexisNexis North America, UK & Ireland. Through the partnership, LexisNexis will integrate its primary law content, Shepard's citations, and AI technology directly in...

Jun 30, 202544 minSeason 1Ep. 296

Ep 295: How One Mass Tort Firm Uses Supio, the AI Platform for PI Lawyers

Supio , an AI-driven platform developed specifically for personal injury lawyers, has been generating a lot of buzz. On the heels of reporting record growth last year and raising $25 million in Series A funding in October, last month it raised another $60 million in a Series B round. But what do the lawyers who use the platform think of it? On today’s LawNext, we hear from one of those lawyers, as well as from the company’s cofounder and CEO. Our guests today are: Tyler Schneider , managing part...

Jun 25, 202550 minSeason 1Ep. 295

Ep 294: A Special Interview with Aderant CEO Chris Cartrett Recorded Live at Its Momentum Global Conference

When Chris Cartrett was named CEO of legal technology company Aderant in 2022, he did so with the mission of aggressively advancing a cloud-first strategy throughout the company’s suite of business and financial software for law firms. Given that Aderant is a nearly 50-year-old company with many customers who still use the on-premises version of its software, that was not an easy mission to fulfill. So three years later, what grade does he give himself in delivering on that mission? That is one ...

Jun 18, 202540 minSeason 1Ep. 294

Ep 293: Litera’s Avaneesh Marwaha: The CEO Who Left Before AI and Returned to Lead Through It

What happens when a CEO steps away from a legal tech company just before the generative AI revolution explodes, then returns two years later amid a landscape that is being dramatically transformed? For Litera’s Avaneesh Marwaha , that is exactly what happened. As the CEO of Litera from 2016 to 2022, Marwaha led the legal tech company through a remarkable period of expansion and diversification, including growing its global customer base by over 1,500% and its annual revenues by 1200%, and overse...

Jun 04, 202546 minSeason 1Ep. 293

Ep 292: AALL President Cornell Winston on Why Law Librarians Should ‘Be Bold’

Cornell Winston , president of the American Association of Law Libraries , brings a unique perspective to law librarianship, having spent 45 years in libraries across diverse settings — from a hospital library where he started as a student worker; to the former Whittier Law School; to prominent law firms Munger, Tolles & Olson and Orrick, Herrington & Sutcliffe; and, for the last 24 years, as law librarian in the U.S. Attorney's office in Los Angeles. Winston joined host Bob Ambrogi to r...

May 28, 202544 minSeason 1Ep. 292

Ep 291: Serial Legal Entrepreneur Monica Zent on Building the Future of Legal Services

Monica Zent is a true pioneer in legal innovation and entrepreneurship. She is the founder of ZentLaw, an award-winning alternative legal services provider that broke the traditional law firm mold when she founded it in 2002. ZentLaw has since grown into a nationwide legal services provider, serving global brands and major corporations with a unique subscription-based model and flexible talent approach. But Monica's entrepreneurial journey extends well beyond ZentLaw. She's a serial entrepreneur...

May 22, 202543 minSeason 1Ep. 291

Ep 290: Turning Legal Spend Into Performance: PERSUIT Founder Jim Delkousis On His Acquisition of Apperio

On May 5, 2025, PERSUIT , a technology company that specializes in helping corporate legal departments select and manage outside counsel, announced that it had acquired Apperio , a spend-management platform for corporate legal, in a move designed to create an end-to-end workflow solution spanning everything from matter intake to invoice payment. “This acquisition accelerates our ability to connect every point in the outside counsel workflow with intelligence,” Jim Delkousis , cofounder and CEO o...

May 15, 202536 minSeason 1Ep. 290

Ep 289: Navigating 'Unruliness': Hence Cofounder Sean West on How Politics, AI and Law are Rewriting Business Rules

"Everybody understands the world is volatile, but they don't necessarily understand why it's volatile or how to deal with it," says Sean West, cofounder of Hence Technologies and author of the new book, Unruly: Fighting Back When Politics, AI, and Law Upend the Rules of Business . "Unruly is a play on words. ... The world is kind of ‘unruling.’ The rules and norms that were developed during globalization are falling away." On this week’s LawNext, West joins host Bob Ambrogi to discuss how the co...

May 06, 202549 minSeason 1Ep. 289

Ep 288: LawDroid Founder Tom Martin on Building, Teaching and Advising About AI for Legal

LawDroid Founder Tom Martin on Building, Teaching and Advising About AI for Legal If you follow legal tech at all, you would be justified in suspecting that Tom Martin has figured out how to use artificial intelligence to clone himself. While running LawDroid , his legal tech company, the Vancouver-based Martin also still manages a law practice in California, oversees an annual legal tech awards program, teaches a law school course on generative AI, runs an annual AI conference, hosts a podcast,...

May 01, 202547 minSeason 1Ep. 288

Ep 287: From Ravel Cofounder to Knowable CEO, Nik Reed Has Learned that Building Quality AI for Legal Takes A Lot of Hard Work

In the gold rush of generative AI, it seems that every legal tech vendor wants to be a one-stop shop for legal technology. But after 15 years of developing legal tech, Nik Reed , CEO of Knowable , a legal technology company devoted to helping enterprises bring order and organization to their executed agreements, believes that lawyers should be wary of the hype. Often, the most successful AI solutions are those that focus on solving specific problems exceptionally well rather than attempting to b...

Apr 15, 20251 hr 1 minSeason 1Ep. 287

Ep 286: When the Unthinkable Becomes Real: Three Legal Tech Leaders On Losing Their Homes To The Los Angeles Wildfires

In January, a merciless firestorm swept through the Pacific Palisades and surrounding areas of Los Angeles, becoming the most destructive wildfire in the city's history. Driven by hurricane-force Santa Ana winds and fueled by record-dry conditions, the Palisades Fire destroyed over 6,800 structures, burned nearly 24,000 acres, and dramatically altered the lives of thousands of residents. Among them were three individuals with deep ties to the legal tech community, each of whom lost their home to...

Apr 08, 202555 minSeason 1Ep. 286

Ep 285: Mark Cohen and Dierk Schindler On The Union Of the Digital Legal Exchange and the Liquid Legal Institute

As reported yesterday in an exclusive at LawSites blog, two leading international legal transformation organizations, the Digital Legal Exchange (DLEx) and the Liquid Legal Institute (LLI), have joined forces in a strategic union that brings together more than 1,500 members representing more than 140 multinational corporations, organizations, institutions and agencies across more than 20 countries. On today’s LawNext, two of the principles of that union — Mark Cohen, chairman emeritus of DLEx, a...

Apr 01, 202548 minSeason 1Ep. 285

Ep 284: Relativity CEO Phil Saunders on the Future of Legal Data, Gen AI, and the Shifting Landscape of Law

“The landscape we all stand on is shifting, and massive amounts of change are upon us,” Phil Saunders , the chief executive officer of e-discovery and legal technology giant Relativity , recently wrote in a post on the company’s blog . Driving that change are three transformative forces, he wrote: new legal data challenges, advancing generative AI, and legal’s journey to the cloud. On this episode of LawNext, Saunders – who joined Relativity as CEO in 2022 after three decades in the technology s...

Mar 25, 202550 minSeason 1Ep. 284

Ep 283: SurePoint CEO Eric Thurston on Acquiring ZenCase and His Vision for Mid-Market Practice Management

Recently, legal technology company SurePoint Technologies acquired the legal practice management company ZenCase in a strategic move aimed at enhancing SurePoint’s practice management offerings for mid-sized law firms. In this episode of LawNext, Eric Thurston , who recently marked his two-year anniversary as CEO of SurePoint Technologies, joins host Bob Ambrogi to discuss the acquisition and share his perspective on the mid-market landscape in law. Originally founded in 1982 as Rippe & King...

Mar 19, 202540 minSeason 1Ep. 283

Ep 282: How A New Documentary Aims To Raise Public Awareness Of The Access To Justice Crisis

On this week’s show: LawNext takes you to the movies. Well, to a specific movie, anyway – a documentary being made to raise public awareness and understanding of the access to justice crisis in this country. Today’s guests are the film’s director, documentary filmmaker Laura Hand , who previously directed The Tent Mender, about homelessness on Skid Row in Los Angeles, and Maya Markovich , a legal innovation leader – and two-time previous guest on this show ( here and here ) – who is serving as a...

Mar 11, 202542 minSeason 1Ep. 282

Ep 281: Eve CEO Jay Madheswaran on Building AI-Native Law Firms for the Plaintiffs’ Bar

After building his career as an engineer at Facebook and as a venture capitalist at Lightspeed Venture Partners, Jay Madheswaran and his cofounders spotted an opportunity to deploy cutting-edge AI to transform what they saw as an underserved segment of the legal market, launching Eve , an AI platform purpose-built for plaintiffs’ law firms. Eve has quickly gained traction, recently securing a $47 million Series A round led by Andreessen Horowitz, and boasting 800% year-over-year growth. But what...

Mar 03, 202551 minSeason 1Ep. 281

Ep 280: Is Arbitrus.ai the Future of Dispute Resolution?

Earlier this month, a legal tech startup called Fortuna Arbitration launched what it says is the first true AI judge – an automated arbitration system called Arbitrus.ai that the company claims can fully replace human arbitrators in resolving legal disputes. The system promises to cut the cost of arbitration from an average of $100,000 to just $10,000, while delivering consistent, unbiased decisions within 72 hours. On this week’s LawNext, our guests are two of the founders behind this ambitious...

Feb 24, 20251 hr 6 minSeason 1Ep. 280

Ep 279: Upsolve’s Jonathan Petts and Ben Jackson on Building the TurboTax for Bankruptcy and Fighting UPL Restrictions

When former Wall Street lawyer Jonathan Petts joined forces in 2016 with Rohan Pavuluri , then a research assistant in Harvard Law School’s Access to Justice Lab, and Mark Hansen , a software engineer, to create Upsolve, they had a simple but powerful vision: make bankruptcy filing as accessible as online tax preparation for Americans crushed by debt. Today, their nonprofit has helped over 16,000 low-income families discharge more than $700 million in debt through Chapter 7 bankruptcy – all at n...

Feb 18, 202546 minSeason 1Ep. 279

Ep 278: Standardizing Legal Agreements: How OneNDA and OneSaaS Aim to Transform Business Contracting

When it comes to contract negotiations, lawyers often find themselves spending countless hours haggling over standard agreements such as NDAs and SaaS contracts, with both sides often saying more or less the same thing, but in different words. What if there was a better way? Today’s guests believe there is. Electra Japonas , chief legal officer at Law Insider and founder of the successful oneNDA initiative, and Preston Clark , Law Insider president, are on a mission to revolutionize contract neg...

Feb 11, 202548 minSeason 1Ep. 278

Ep 277: CEO Nikole Nelson Returns to LawNext with An Update on Frontline Justice’s Mission to Empower Justice Workers and Bridge the Justice Gap

In the United States, we face a staggering crisis in access to justice, with over 90% of low-income Americans' civil legal needs estimated to be going unmet. But what if there was a way to dramatically expand legal help by empowering a new category of legal helpers? That's exactly what today's guest, Nikole Nelson , is working to achieve as CEO of Frontline Justice . After 25 years as a legal aid lawyer in Alaska, Nelson now leads this national nonprofit organization dedicated to establishing an...

Feb 03, 202540 minSeason 1Ep. 277

Ep 276: Reflections On 25 Years Of Innovation In Legal Aid, With The LSC’s Longtime Program Counsel Glenn Rawdon

Earlier this month, the Legal Services Corporation, the largest funder of civil legal aid in the United States, held its annual Innovations in Technology Conference in Phoenix. This year’s conference was particularly special for two reasons. For one, it was the conference’s 25th anniversary, as well as the 25th anniversary of the Technology Initiative Grants program that was the genesis of the conference. For another, this year’s conference followed the official retirement in November of Glenn R...

Jan 28, 202548 minSeason 1Ep. 276

Ep 275: Can AI Bridge the Justice Gap? Legal Aid Lawyer and Innovator Sateesh Nori Thinks So

From legal aid attorney to legal tech innovator, Sateesh Nori brings a unique perspective to the intersection of artificial intelligence and access to justice. After spending two decades in the trenches as a housing lawyer at legal aid offices in New York City, Nori now bridges multiple worlds – continuing his legal aid work at the Legal Aid Society of NYC while also serving as an adjunct clinical professor at NYU Law School in its eviction defense clinic and working as a senior legal innovation...

Jan 21, 202546 minSeason 1Ep. 275

Ep 274: Insights on Leadership and Innovation in Legal Education, with Anastasia Boyko

Anastasia Boyko likes to say that she’s Goldilocks-ed her way through her career. True, it’s been a varied career, as she’s tried out different roles, but it is a career that has taken her full circle, from Yale Law School, where she graduated, and then eventually back to Yale Law to create a program in leadership for lawyers, and from Salt Lake City, where she grew up after she and her mother fled Soviet-era Ukraine, and then back to that city as chief innovation officer at the University of Ut...

Jan 13, 202554 minSeason 1Ep. 274

Ep 273: A Deep Dive Into Washington’s Newly Approved Pilot to Allow Non-Lawyer Entities to Practice Law

On Dec. 5, in a move to enhance access to justice, the Supreme Court of the state of Washington issued a historic order authorizing a regulatory reform pilot program by which entities not owned by lawyers will be able to deliver legal services. The move makes Washington only the third state, after Utah and Arizona, to approve a comprehensive change to the longstanding rule that only entities owned by lawyers can practice law. The pilot, which will last for 10 years, is designed to test whether e...

Jan 06, 202538 minSeason 1Ep. 273

Ep 272: In Which Gen AI Takes Over this Podcast to Discuss Law Practice Management Technology

On today’s LawNext: we hand over the podcast to NotebookLM to discuss the state of law practice management technology. If you haven’t heard of NotebookLM, it is a generative AI tool from Google that turns your documents into engaging audio discussions. Its output sounds a whole lot like, well, a podcast, with two hosts chatting it up about your documents. To quote Google’s own description, “With one click, two AI hosts start up a lively “deep dive” discussion based on your sources. They summariz...

Dec 17, 202426 minSeason 1Ep. 272

Ep 271: NGAGE’s Paul Henry On How Law Firms Can Use Behavioral Analytics to Drive Tech Adoption

You cannot have innovation without adoption. That was a theme I heard repeatedly when I attended the Knowledge Management & Innovation for Legal conference in New York City in October. Our guest today, Paul Henry , would take that a step further and say you do not really have adoption without engagement. Henry is the founder and CEO of NGAGE Intelligence , a platform that provides law firms with highly granular and comprehensive behavioral analytics to help them understand whether, how and b...

Dec 11, 202431 minSeason 1Ep. 271

Ep 270: How One Legal Tech Company Is Donating Its Software To Pursue Justice In Atrocity Crimes

Everlaw for Good is a program run by the e-discovery company Everlaw , through which it makes its software available at no cost to legal aid organizations, nonprofit organizations, and investigative journalists. One beneficiary of that program is the Center for Justice and Accountability , a human rights nonprofit that works to seek justice on behalf of victims of atrocity crimes, including torture, genocide, and war crimes. At the recent Everlaw Summit, the CJA’s work using the Everlaw platform...

Dec 02, 202437 minSeason 1Ep. 270

Ep 269: As She Retires From a Trailblazing Career in Legal KM and Innovation, Sally Gonzalez Shares Lessons Learned

In the field of legal knowledge management and innovation, Sally Gonzalez is both a legend and a trailblazer. Over the course of her 40-year career, she has worked for some of the world's largest law firms to develop and lead KM and strategic technology initiatives. She has overseen KM and information technology programs at such global firms as Norton Rose Fulbright, Dentons, Akin Gump, Covington & Burling, and Jones Day, and been a strategic consultant at major consulting firms including HB...

Nov 25, 202433 minSeason 1Ep. 269

Ep 268: How Gen AI Can Be A Game-Changer for Discovery and Litigation, with Everlaw CEO AJ Shankar

Recently, the Everlaw Summit , the annual customer conference of the e-discovery company Everlaw , convened in San Francisco. In his keynote address there, cofounder and CEO AJ Shankar announced the general availability, after a year of beta testing, of a suite of generative AI features for reviewing, coding and analyzing documents in discovery and litigation prep. LawNext host Bob AmbrogiI was at the conference, and the next morning, he sat down with Shankar for this conversation about Everlaw’...

Nov 19, 202436 minSeason 1Ep. 268

Ep 267: How A Legal Services Agency Developed An Award-Winning KM Portal to Enhance Access to Justice

At the Knowledge Management and Innovation for Legal Conference held recently in New York City, Legal Services NYC was named as the inaugural winner of the LexPrize award, which is designed to recognize groundbreaking ideas in knowledge management and innovation for the legal industry. It won for its development of the Legal Services NYC KM Portal, a custom-built knowledge management portal designed to enable its legal professionals to more easily access important resources and more effectively ...

Nov 11, 202434 minSeason 1Ep. 267
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