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Colin Cowherd Podcast - Lamar Jackson, Russell Wilson Contract Drama, Lions>Cowboys, Eagles Unraveling, College Football Playoff

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John Middlekauff, host of “3 and Out” joins Colin to break down all the week 17 NFL action! 

They start with the Ravens dominating win over the Dolphins and marvel at the evolution of Lamar Jackson’s game (3:30). They both agree that the media backlash to Russell Wilson’s benching and contract dispute was completely overblown (17:00), and that the Lions are better equipped for postseason success than the Cowboys (22:00).

They weigh in on the Eagles late-season meltdown (29:30), and what the Bears should do with Justin Fields going forward (41:00).They also break down both college football playoff games between Michigan and Alabama (51:30), and Texas vs. Washington(58:00).

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eligibility and deposit restrictions, terms and responsible gaming resources. Hi everybody, and welcome in. It's our customary Sunday night, our long podcast with my buddy, former NFL scout John Middlekoff, who has the podcast, the very popular podcast. At the volume three and out, there is a ton to discuss NFL college at the end, let's start with Miami Baltimore. For a lot of reasons. You know, you add an extra week into the regular season of the NFL. I was

not a fan of it. I have defended Thursday night football though I don't think a lot of veteran players are ready to go. But here we are, teams falling apart. Miami Chubb probably out for the playoffs, to a banged up Howard the defensive back.

Speaker 1

Banged up.

Speaker 2

You know here you go to last weekend, you feel pretty good you know, Baltimore is a little like San Francisco. They pound you you come out of these games against the Niners or the Ravens. And I look at what is Miami today? They're gonna be a wild card team, a real possibility of that.

Speaker 1

What to you?

Speaker 2

Because I got thoughts on Dallas just isn't close to the team that I thought they should have lost to Detroit. What's Miami to you today?

Speaker 1

Well? To me, I think they are a one and done team in the playoffs, you know, assuming they lose to Buffalo, which I'm sure you and I know I'm gonna take Buffalo next week. Yes, and that's a team that's, you know, obviously trending in the right direction. You know what sucks for Miami is they were having an awesome season for them, right They're not like some powerhouse franchise over the last couple decades, and now it all comes unravel. And here's the thing. What has been their downfall when

they've played good teams? Now, they didn't take care of business last week against Dallas right after Dak let them on that drive, they drove and they won the game. But today they were manhandled like that was a difference in class. And here's the thing with the you know, not winning the division. Do you like this team on the road in Kansas City? Do you like this team on the road in Buffalo? Like this is not even an indictment on McDaniel, Intoa, it's the history of the franchise.

They don't play well in weather Like listen, Kansas City's comfortable playing these twenty five twenty games. They'll do it all day long and say, come on into Arrowhead. You're not gonna beat us, because that's that's got the three to six written all over it, right or however the seting breaks down. Now maybe I guess, depending on how it breaks could they I guess if they lost next week, they wouldn't even be the five, they'd be the sixth seed.

So you'd be looking at going on the road in Kansas City, and I don't think there's a soul that's gonna pick them, and they would be, you know, a one and done team, which sucked because they really did make some good strides. I do think big picture, you got Fangio, you keep improving the roster like they're not going away. But like, physicality is a huge part of this league. And the Niners, who are clearly one of the more physical teeths, got shoved around by the Ravens.

And today was did that look like Alabama playing cal Paly or something to that?

Speaker 2

I know it, John, think about this. In the last twenty years, who has dominated the NFL. New England cold weather team, Baltimore has been a great team. Cold weather outdoor team San Francisco. It's the Bay Area, but it's chili. You get some in the late New Year. It's Wendy and chili. You don't see think about the warm weather teams.

Brady goes down to Tampa quickly. But there is there is an argument that the Philadelphias and the Baltimore's and the New England's, you know, it's and I'm not saying warm weather dome teams can't be really, really good. But we've watched Buffalo, Cincinnati, Kansas City, New England, you know, and I and Baltimore and the AFC and the Steelers have underperformed the last ten years. They've still been viable. So I do think there is something. I mean, John,

there's no question I live in California. When I go on the road, a forty seven degree day, I'm like, get me out of here. What is going on when you play in Miami. It's not a criticism, it's a reality. I just don't trust them on the road.

Speaker 1

In January, we'll think about two of the better organizations with Drew Brees and the Saints and Peyton Manning and the Colts over the last couple decades. We're not great outdoor teams. You know, in the playoffs, right, they had to be in a confined environment to have their best opportunity. And they had Drew Brees and Peyton Manning, right, just because the culture of your franchise offensive cultures both those two teams, right, look at Miami and today was less

about Miami. I didn't think they were gonna win. Was much more to me about Baltimore, who now checks all the boxes of a super Bowl level team. They have a super Bowl winning coach, they have a quarterback who's gonna win the MVP and is playing the best football of his career. I texted with a buddy who's on the staff after they kicked the Niners ass, and he's like, I don't think people quite understand how good this defensive coordinator is. He's like a boy genius. He's pretty special.

And so they have incredible coaching, great talent. Nailed some draft picks. I mean, Jay Flowers looks like Hilriek Junior. The personnel department has always been top notch. What happened last year trade for Rokwan Smith leading tackler in the NFL. They have guys on that defense on their front four that aren't sexy, huge TJ Watt, JJ Watt and Nick Posa. You don't even beside Clowney. They're not famous group. They dominate so and that's always kind of been their thing.

Upfront physicality. We know they can run the ball well. Now Lamar's throwing like this. I think the pressure I listen, I think the two to one seeds is super Bowl or bust. Like anything less than the Super Bowl championship for the Niners or the Ravens is going to feel like a letdown. Now, you would say, in the AFC, just playing Kansas City, who has championship medal Buffalo, if they win with Josh Allen, they're gonna be a tough out. It's still to me a little harder in the AFC

than it will be for San Francisco. But I think Baltimore is clearly the heavy favorite right now.

Speaker 2

Yeah, you know. And I gotta be honest with you. Whenever I see this on the internet. And I don't mind when fans do this, I not that my standard for fans fan is short for fanatics. So when fans want to get all fiery, I have no problem with it. But when I see the media do this stuff, you know, if I want Baltimore, I'm really happy for Baltimore and Lamar Jackson. I had real doubts he was skinny and ran too much. And my takeaway is, I don't know

if it's going to work in the pros. If these GM if there was a secret to sixful quarterbacks, than seventy seven percent of drafted quarterbacks round one through seven wouldn't fail. Like nobody knows. I mean outside of Andrew Luck, Trevor Lawrence, Joe Burrow, Elway Marino. It's like, you don't know. But I will say this, I think one of the things I really and I can explain it with Lamar.

He was so magnificent stylistically and so unique that people just don't know what to do with players like that. I grew up with a player named George Gervin in the NBA. There's never been a player that played like him. The guy weighed I swore of got he weigh one hundred and fifty, he was six seven. Everything was a finger roll. He was an All Star for years, but he never got listed among the greats because nobody played

like George Girvin. He was this six to seven, wiry, small school odd game and Alex English led the eighties in the NBA scoring, didn't jump angle angle, jump shooter. He didn't make top seventy five team. He led the eighties and scoring. Yeah, So you when you get these players that are so unique, we don't know what to We don't know what to do with Lamar, but we have to acknowledge this. He just keeps getting better. He's clearly coachable, and he is the soul of that team.

Those he's the opposite of Russ. His teammates love him, I mean they love him.

Speaker 1

He to me, you know, for a guy now who's worth two hundred million dollars, still has a humility around him and there's a connectivity to him clearly in the locker room that I think Jalen showed last year that you can't fake that. You either got it or you don't. It comes naturally to you. And like you said, this is why you draft on character, work, ethic and love of football, because that's how you improve. Like you don't improve, you know what happens the six months when you're not

practicing in the offseason. He's gotten dramatically better. The other conversation on the internet is laughable, as like, I can't believe no one went after him. It's again, the Ravens were never letting him go. Never. It's one of those things like in the NBA with restrictive free agency, why did no one make Austin Reeves an offer? Because the Lakers are gonna match it. The Ravens weren't trading you, Lamar Jackson, right, And clearly, you know, here's the other thing,

young people. The situations financially impact you know, mentally, we get impacted by all sorts of things. And clearly last year threw them off the contract. This is a business, though, and I'm sure we'll talk about Sean Payton and Russell like we're talking a lot of money. So sometimes they get kind of contentious. Last year was weird. They figured

it out. Everything's good, and not only this year, don't you feel just for the next several years, he's kind of come into his own a lot like Mahomes did several years ago. Josh allten, I mean, he's one of the best players in recent memory.

Speaker 2

I remember when Aaron Rodgers was in his prime and Vegas said he was worth eleven points a game. If you look at the Ravens with Lamar twenty eight a game without him seventeen, so he's worth eleven points. He is Aaron Rodgers in his prime. And what I like about him, Whereas Aaron sort of a finesse player, you know, he throws it off his feet, throws it away if he doesn't like to play, Lamartin has a weird physicality about him, like he kind of likes to get hit.

He's he's kind of physical, and I think players feed off it.

Speaker 1

I think he is so much better than he was when he won the MVP and kind of took the league by storm. He's so much under control, you know, for a running quarterback. He feels much more poised now when he's scrambling around because he's scrambling looking to throw. I also think he's always kind of had a knack. When I was in Philly, Michael Vick was kind of reckless. He didn't know how to slide. He went into a

lot of contact and got molly wopped. Lamar's pretty good at like kind of hitting the ground on some runs. He's not trying to be a hero, and no one questions that. Like it's like, Lamar, we got to pick your spots. You're too valuable. And he's just come into his own with his talent. Like I. He's gonna have a lot of pressure though in the playoffs because it's home games. He hasn't much had much, you know, postseason success. This team's built to win big. It's a tough place

to play. He's you know, they kind of get two weeks now, this game doesn't mean anything. Next week you get the two week rest a lot like the forty nine ers, and it's just it's everyone's looking at them like if you're not in the super Bowl, it's going to be a major, major disappointment.

Speaker 2

All right, let's pivot and this it's not necessarily the game, but it's the situation. Denver Chargers, Denver wins. Stidham's not the future. So my first takeaway on this because we're going to talk about Cowboys and Lions and Justin Fields and Michigan, Alabama, Washington, Texas. But this is interesting. So I know Sean really well, I know Russell pretty well. I know Russell's agent through texting. I was a RUSS fan forever. But I say this before, when new data surfaces,

I have to reassess. So I got three coaches now that have moved off RUSS and not for legends from Mike Glennon, Jarrett Stidham and Gino Smith. So you have to reassess. But it's interesting about Denver the contract situation aside, there's so much shit going on in this league. There's a lot of contract stuff fans have no idea. Obviously, Russell's side leaked it because they were ticked off, and I get it and I support that. But here's the thing.

You can solve a lot of issues quickly. If right now they're drafted about thirteenth fourteenth, that's probably where bo Nix is well. Bo Nix is Drew Brees with mobility. He completes seventy five percent of his soves the last two years. Stidham slides into the backup role and suddenly a lot of your problems are solved. You have a high completion scheme. Up guy. I like Denver's roster. I know a lot of people look at this and think Sean Payton's a big trouble. But my take is they

would give up some stuff. They got a couple fives. I think they have a one, No, two of three or four to two fives and a seven. I could see them. I don't think they want to move off Patrick's artan, but I could see them doing it to get a second one, to get an edge rusher and a quarterback. But Mike your takeaway and the Russ thing, the Sean Payton thing, I think every problem solvable. I think if you go and get Bo Nixon at twelve to fifteen spot, I think I think you're fine.

Speaker 1

Immediately, I thought the reaction was laughable, Like this is a billion dollar business. If you don't like a player, you move on, like you get you ask guys to take pay cuts all the time. Their offense has been terrible. To me, it gets back to John Schneider wanted to

short Russell Wilson in Josh Allen's draft. Remember they wanted to trade him and draft Josh Allen that they've been trying to get rid of one huge red flag for Russell Wilson in the history, in my life, the great quarterbacks, all the Hall of Fame guys from Steve Young to Aikman, through Peyton to Brady, all their offensive coaches go on to get head coaching jobs. Aaron Rodgers. You just it's a pipeline to success.

Speaker 2

Great call.

Speaker 1

Russell's offensive coordinator has always been fired. They've always been fired in Seattle. He went through a bunch obviously so far, Nate Hackett was a disaster. Now Sean wanted to get We found out wanted to get rid of him in October. So you ask him to take a massive pay cut,

he's not living up to it. In any business, if you have a fifty million dollar asset that's given you probably fifteen twenty million dollars worth of ROI something, it doesn't work, and they ask him, it's his prerogative to say no, and they can say okay. Now, clearly to me, they kept playing him. You know, probably the NFLPA would have came after him. It wasn't worth it, and they kind of you know, went out the stream. We saw this happen last year with Derek Carr. These injuries, It

happens all the time in football, right and why? And I always think this just in life. Why do you want to be somewhere where people don't want you? So try Russell Wilson? Why would you even want to be there? Sean Payton doesn't want you, you move on? But like, who's really gonna want him? Because I think I heard you say this, and you've said it forever about like the famous guys, the t bow's the camp. It's not easy to bring him in if he's not your lock

starting quarterbacks. Some of these teams are gonna be drafting quarterbacks. He's gonna be in a weird space. It's gonna get weird fast.

Speaker 2

Yeah, I mean t BO, Cam Newton. You can't have him as backups. Russell's too good to be a backup. But you have to bring him in and build a franchise around him. And I think one of the things that I've had two different people in the league say he means well, but two people in the league have told me he can be difficult. You scheme stuff up and this Sean Payton stuff work with Teddy Bridgewater Taysom Hill, Drew Brees, and it doesn't work with Russ by the

way I watched him today, He's a backup. You know, he's a spot starter. He's you know, you can start him, but he's not a guy who're gonna build around. And he made some throws down the field. God Denver doesn't make throws down the field. And I know Sean Payton's looking at that thinking that's what I want, and I contend that it was never gonna work. Sean is a no bs authentic, flawed, emotional being. Russell is relentlessly optimistic,

highly religious. It's kind of a Kirk Cousins Derek carr On, you know, on another level with HGH like relentlessly optimistic like Derek Carl Swear And you've seen outburst by Kirk Brief. You know Russell's that's just not happening. Also, Russell got young kid's beautiful wife, massive businesses. I'm not saying he's somewhat distracted. You know, you don't know this. Young kids. I don't care if you're rich. There's just emotional stuff you gotta deal with all the time. I got teenagers,

older kids. It's easy street for me. They barely returned my calls. Russ has a very broad, deep life, and I just think I just think Sean Payton looks at him and just thinks, stylistically doesn't work. Personalities don't work, salary doesn't work. It's just the reality of big business.

Speaker 1

Well, you know, it turns out he's not a very good player in the pocket. And he could mask it forever with his great athleticism when he was younger and his great playmaking outside the pocket. Well, the moment that kind of died at the level in which it used to be. He no longer was close to the money he was getting paid, and too, he couldn't function in this offense. You you still always have to be able to throw within the pocket, and that was always it

was hard for Pete and John. We all thought they were crazy because they could he he looks so awesome when you watched him play, but they were right that that was always a major He's small, it's hard to see and he's not comfortable really playing like that. But as it's like a it's like an NBA player, right, who can't Russell Westbrook, Well, he never could shoot, but when he was an elite athlete, didn't really matter. You

get away with it. The moment your athleticism starts to dip and you're not a great shooter, your flaws get exposed really really fast, and I think his flaws got exposed really really fast, especially what Sean Payton has. One of the more complicated offenses in the league, right, same with Andy Reid got you gotta be able to handle a lot. He was bitching and more about that three months ago.

Speaker 2

Right three months ago, he was talking about the arm bet. He said twice on record, we have to simplify the offense. That's not a good sign that that is a that's trouble. I mean, there are times, you know, I've heard this Brandon Staley defense had so many checks and alerts that you know. I talked to somebody on that staff and they just said it was like Vic Fangio's defense is complicated. They thought Staley had a simpler version of vic Fangio's defense.

It was more complicated. That's why you slow the defense down. Offense is always complicated. And when I heard those sort of public comments, that's Sean basically saying, I want you guys to know what I'm going through. That's Sean protecting his face. But to watch the media sometimes. I mean, the media is sourced and is informed, and most people I've worked with are smart, but Jesus, can the media be naive about it?

Speaker 1

It was embarrassing.

Speaker 2

It was like, guys, this is the way the sport works. I've done twelve negotiations. They can get pissy, and I have a big brand. I've had good bosses. We get along, we have cocktails. It gets pissy, they threaten, you know, you pull back, you get angry, like this stuff is. Russell was ticked, it got leaked. This is the way the game works.

Speaker 1

It's the NFL. Joe Montana was traded, Peyton Manning was cut. Bill Belichick told Tom Brady to kick rocks. Like, how's anyone shocked that this is going on? I don't, I don't get it. It's not like he's, you know, gonna be eating at McDonald's. He's still getting his money to be paid to go away. Like Russell Wilson's fine, but he's just not as good as he's just he's an average player now who's being paid like an elite guy.

Speaker 2

All right, let's let's move segue to Dallas beating I guess Detroit, so Johnny, it really, you know. I mean, seasons are weird, like the Niners were great, then they stumble, then they're great, then they get crushed, you know, so we know they're good. But it is an EBB and Flower league, right Miami early in the season is dropping seventy and now we look at them, their injury riddled. They can't be good teams in the road. So it is a largely a situational week to week league. And

I got I bought into Dallas. But I was saying this last night on my instant re action is there are things every week that I get with Detroit. Sam laporta high volume, two excellent running backs, one Gibbs electric, great old line, golf, pass protection, pass rush, now back end Dicey Jamison Williams can disappear, but he's electric, Omoran Saint Brown's. It always feels like more of a two than a one. I'm probably wrong, but there are flaws with Detroit, and they play better at home, but I

know what I get from them. A risk taking coach, a real run game, a pass rush, a highly productive tight end. If Ceedee Lamb twisted his ankle, I don't know what the hell I get with Dallas. The O line is two O lines. When Tyron Smith is healthy, it's excellent. When he's not, you get the game in Miami, Dak home and away. I have no idea Pallard looks like a three. He's not even a two. Brandon Cooks is what he is. You're not gonna build an offense around him. I know that the Ceedee Lamb's great and

Micaeh Parsons is great. John they need to win this division because.

Speaker 1

Well they're going they don't they're going to.

Speaker 2

I think they're gonna win this division because that team cannot win a playoff road game. When you go into the playoffs and you have more questions than answers, you can't win multiple playoff games.

Speaker 1

It felt like Jerry got karma from finally giving in to Jimmy Johnson putting them in the ring of honor. He wins that game, and then the Eagles blow it today and it kind of all turned out. Cowboys last night, I thought Aikman hit it on the head. They're at the fifty yard line with a minute left and he said the game should be over. What to me, there's like Dan Campbell at the end of the game being aggressive.

I thought I should have kicked the extra point of say seven yard line, like a seven yard lines kick. But to me, for Mike McCarthy, not just call multiple runs, like what are we doing here? They're gonna have a little less than a minute, They're gonna have no timeouts to go to the field. Your kicker's good. What are we trying to prove? And it's just always that with him,

that would just terrified you because he's clearly pretty good. Right, they're gonna win twelve games for like a thirstraight year in a row. Dak's playing pretty well, but he terrified that that was an excuse. I can't even imagine Jerry, Jimmy Johnson, people watch what this is crazy? Now at the end of the game, you know, everyone bitch and moment about the officials. The official clearly screwed up and

called the wrong guy. But when they don't announce sixty eight, Dallas didn't cover him for a reason, Why would they cover a tackle? You know they didn't know, so that play, it's hard to just assume that that play's working if they announced sixty eight is the eligible guy? Right, So the ref screwed up. But they never should have been in that position in the first place because they shouldn't have had the time. Dak's throwing the ball seven hundred

yards out of bounds. That's crazy, and to me, it's on McCarthy for even allowing a pass play. It's also on Dak. You're talking about basically a ten year vet who makes a ton of money, Like you gotta have hit the You're better off just taking a sack and just keeping the clock moving.

Speaker 2

Yeah, that really jumped out to me. Is that? By the way, though, I do know what I get with Detroit more than Dallas. I thought Dan Campbell not kicking the pat was he was reckless.

Speaker 1

He was reckless on the from even the four yard line. I don't like that.

Speaker 2

So I think what you look at Detroit and Dallas is there are things I like about both, but the coaches are factors here. They really are factors. I mean, I'm sorry, but what Sean McVay is doing and what Kyle Shanahan has done. Uh, I you know, I watched the Rams again and I we'll talk about this later, but when I look at Dallas and I think I said this with you a couple of weeks ago, Mike McCarthy gets fired and he concocts this story that he

was down in his basement doing analytics the Cowboys. Well, first he said he watched every game of the year in his basement. Bullshit. Then he later said he watched every play from the Cowboys, later acknowledged it was bs. Then when Kellen Moore left, he said, I want to run the football and be more physical and less DAK reliant. All three are nonsense. This is the same team. They are totally DAK reliant, and they're DAK and C d

Lamb reliant. So you know, it's like when you have an ace on a pitching staff, it just makes everybody's job easier because the bullpen gets rest. So the two and the three pitchers generally have a fresher bullpen. When Zeke was in his prime, you know, Tony Pollard gets nine touches pops on two and nobody's paying attention to him. Now that Tony Pollard's the guy like I had said this. I think we talked about this at the trade deadline.

I said, listen, you don't want to pay a fortune for a running back, but if I could gobble up the rest of Derrick Henry's contract. Tennessee's ready to move off him because what they miss is what you watched. That deck wouldn't be throwing if you had Dereck Henry to eat the clock. I think Dallas either blows you out, not gonna happen the playoffs. They have a problem, and I thought the field goal kicker eliminated it. Even if they lead late, they have no run game consistently. That's a problem.

Speaker 1

I always believe this and coaching. I think it's like in life, like the older you get philosophically the way you think, like that's who you are. Mike McCarthy can say whatever he wants and a lot of coaches do this. You look back to his time in Green Bay. They were a pass heavy team. Yes, why they let down a lot in the playoffs. Now they had Aaron Rodgers, but they relied so much on throwing the ball. He never had a great run game there because deep down he wants to call pass place as a lot of

coaches do. And what happened to Andy Reid last year he leaned on Pachaco won him another super Bowl because he that's been a knock on him for a long time. Pass happy, he wants to call pass places. Oh that's a lot. Kyle Shanahan wants to call run plays. Philosophically, as a play caller, you want to do specific things. Ben Johnson clearly likes you know, he's got a little like uh. Kellen Moore wants to have some fun do stuff. But sometimes that can cost you, because we see Belichick

over the years and Josh McDaniels. You gotta be very very buttoned up when you do that stuff, when you try to get tricky. What did they do? They sent three guys out to try to throw off Dallas. Well it ended up confusing the referee, But that's what happened. They were trying to confuse Dallas instead of just sending sixty eight. Well, they didn't want to do that because everyone would have pointed right at him and it wouldn't the trickeration wouldn't have been as obvious. So sometimes you

can outthink yourself. And like Dan Campbell, both Dallas, Philly and Detroit to me are no lock to win in the first round because they just cannot be trusted in big spots coaching. Mike's i mean, does have a resume of winning playoff games over the course of you know, a decade plus. But when you look at Dan Campbell, he's it's gonna be the biggest game he's ever coached in. And Sirianni, let's face it. I mean, you talk about a team leaking oil right now? Holy shit.

Speaker 2

So let's tye. I have it written down. So if you did not watch the Eagles in Arizona, I'm gonna throw some numbers out for people. Arizona had the football for thirty nine and a half minutes, thirty two first downs, six point two yards of play. Kyler Murray and you know, I love Kyler. I know he plays too many video games. I freaking love that guy.

Speaker 1

You have three.

Speaker 2

Oh my god, he is It's like Chris Paul in his prime. It's like it's just it looks easy. It's just he is. So you know, I'm watching that game. So that was one of my favorite bets of the week. Like twelve and a half, I'm like, I'm sorry Arizona and by this game was funny because you saw Arizona control late, Arizona controlled early. They just had that they had that touched. Eagles got that ninety five yard pick six. So otherwise, but Arizona was I thought was in control.

This game didn't feel as close. And I look at Nick Siriani and my takeaway was they struggled early. Then he let Shane Stiken call the plays. They were great Shane Stike and leaves they struggle. Is that Sirianni maybe one of those head coaches. Now we know Mike Tomlin isn't this, and we know Pete Carroll isn't this, and we know Andy Reid isn't this or McVeigh. But there have been head coaches that need a great coordinator or a great play caller. And you know when dan Quinn

lost Kyle Shanahan, preimposed not the same coach. And I look at Nick Siriani and your point, they're leaking oil. Some of these are personnel issues on the defensive side. But I think I'm more bothered by the inconsistency of the offense. I don't know, have they had four good quarters of offensive football this year? I don't think they have.

Speaker 1

I think relative to the contract and the hype coming in, Jalen's had a bad season. Now some of its injuries, but they have not looked good and it's not lack of talent. I mean they got guys everywhere. I always struggle with CEO head coaches, especially younger guys, like what are you hanging your hand on? Like the one thing with Jim or John Harball CEO head coach. He's a tough guy. So his teams are gonna be tough when you get him the right coordinators, they're gonna be really

tough to deal with. Right now, he has a great offensive coordinator, great defensive coordinator. The Ravens are kicking everyone's ass. What's Sirianni hanging his hat on like motivation? Like is that what he's doing? He knows nothing about defense, And like you said, so he's an offensive guy, wide receiver coach, coach that side of the ball. Well, he's clearly not influencing anything. I'm telling you. That place is a pressure cooker. This thing is an all time unraveling. Now they're gonna

play a road playoff game. Now they're gonna be the five seeds, So they'll play Tampa or New Orleans. They if they lose that game, though, I mean, are you just they have a lot invested into a lot of people. This is an organization that has no problem spending a lot on assistant coaches. Yeah, and never forget they lost to Gannon today. They went after the Cardinals Forgannon because

he got hired late. They wanted to hire Vic Fangio, but Vick's like, I can't wait around what's going on, So he takes the Miami job losing the Gannon today. Of just all the people to lose with, because of all the bad teams, the Cardinals are easily the hardest to play because of that little guy. I mean he is. He's on a different level of the Giants and all these shitty the Washington team. But to lose the Gannon at home, given what's on the line, that's I think

they're gonna be like Sirianni in any trouble. If they were to lose in the first round of the playoff game. And this was a team that gave their quarterback all this money, and let's face it had hopes of being at worse being in the NFC Championship Game and being on the Customs Super Bowl.

Speaker 2

Again, look at they lose their defensive coordinator, where their pass rush go, they lose their offensive coordinator. Their giveaways of exploded like clearly they're not as buttoned up. And by the way, Nick and I think it hurts Nick can come off as a little juvenile. Yeah, on the sidelines.

Speaker 1

I also think you got to be in the great coaches in the history of the league, right Walsh Belichick, and he's good at this, being very careful with older players and doubling down. Like last year, James Bradbury, they probably should have just moved on, but they were so close they brought everyone back on defense. And now it's a disaster, right, and they're paying Bradbury and Slay at Slay's hurt. Bradbury's not any good. So you have some older players making a lot of money. You have to

play them, but they're simply not good enough. And you watch today their defense is just soft. I mean, beside the defensive lineman, their back seven is awful. I mean, Kyler and James Connor made them look like a four or five win team. And let's face it, their point differential I looked before we hopped on. Yeah, not good is basically right around. Like teams like Tampa, Houston, Indy.

The Saints for example, have double I mean, they're a team that's gonna win eleven twelve games, their point differentials twenty two. They're a pretty average team with a record that probably is a little different than the actual team we've watched through the four months of the year.

Speaker 2

Yeah, and we knew it. I mean I said before the year, I said they're gonna lose significantly more games. They're playing much better quarterbacks on their slate. They lose two great coordinators. Some of this was predictable. But one of the things I've always appreciated about Philadelphia and I just love the Northeast and how much they love football. I just love Baltimore, and I love Buffalo, and I love all these teams that just care. Philadelphia won a

Super Bowl. Nick Foles hit the road, Doug Peterson hit the road. Carson Wentz, MVP hit the road. He was having a great year this franchise, and this is very rare. They're the opposite, same state, opposite mindset of the Steelers. They're not loyal to anything, and I think it's because the Rooneys are Pennsylvania. Jeffrey Lorie's got Hollywood ties. He's more global. His thing is man, this is big business, and I don't think Sirianni would get fired, but I

think they would they give him one more chance. You know, on coordinators, and I know people say, boy, that's a dubious way to do business, but say this about the Steelers. They're going to be loyal to Picket to the end. Mason Rudolph comes in and figures out, you know, I'm gonna throw the ball to Pickens every time I can Pickett. You know, Kenny Pickett would go half without targeting him. Rudolph's like on the sidelines for the last three months going.

Speaker 1

He's the J T. J.

Speaker 2

Watt and Pickens, our two best athletes. Throw it to him every time you can, and it's like, oh, it's not that complicated. So I don't know if he's in trouble. But you know, Jalen Hurts is one of those all supporting because I think he has a Dak quality and I like this quality. I don't think he either throws the ball like Matt Stafford or Mahomes are out no, no,

and there. But there is something to be said about intangibles and leadership and a grown up and an adult, and Jalen does in a raucous environment, to your point, a highly pressurized environment. He's kind of a centered kid. And I do think Philadelphia eight Carson Wentz Alive eats coaches a lot. I've Chip Kelly. I do think Jalen. I don't think he's an A plus talent, but I do think he's a very centered guy. And I think Dak is and there is value in these pressurized Cowboy Eagle markets.

Speaker 1

I think Jalen, in a weird way, is the least of their worries because of that. But where it does impact you is once that cap hit starts kicking in. I need you know, once your cap hit right now, the first year of the contracts lower as you go. You know, Dak's played better, right, Kirk Cousins got better as he got more. You're gonna need Jalen like I need you to be a pro bowler every year, because

we're gonna have to skim at some other positions. But to me, the downfall of the Eagles this year, especially down their defense, is falling off a cliff. I mean, they feel like one of the worst defenses in the NFL. I think they have a very I think they're in major trouble come the playoffs. I mean they have no momentum. There's just a lot of negativity. You know how that city gets. Everyone's gonna start coach and just all the weird stuff Matt Patricia now and legitimately just from a personnel,

they're just not very good. Like they can't cover you. So I can give you the motivation, I can give you the scheme. If I can't cover a guy one on one and they cannot, I mean Kyler and James Connor, they look like I mean Steve Young and Walter Payton out there today. It was crazy.

Speaker 2

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Justin Fields is playing better. So Chicago's not a well run organization. One of the old the oldest and poorest ownership near it in the league. They want to move stadiums again. The former Big Ten presidents now their president. You know, I've heard things that I don't love. I don't Ryan Poles, It's unproven. Matt Eberflu's defensive coach. I talked to somebody last week who had interviewed him a couple of years ago. And just said nice guy, good coordinator.

Doesn't feel like a head coach to me. This was an executive in the league. So but the story is Justin Fields. So Caleb Williams projects again projects he was a better college quarterback in terms of a dynamic. I mean, usc better better throw the ball for sure.

Speaker 1

Yeah.

Speaker 2

And the US's number one of the nation last two years and has not had Ohio State's kind of personnel like Justin Fields did. So he throws the ball better and he's considered a better prospect, and you get to reach. So there's two things that and you get to restart the rookie quarterback clock, which is a thing, but I do this is an organization. The weaker the organization and leadership, the New York Mets, the New York Jets. They get pushed around by the wind and the volume of media

and the volume in that Chicago sports talk. That's one of the cities in the country, Philadelphia, Boston, Chicago sports Talk. I mean, it's everybody listens to it. And I can very much see them just saying, Nope, we're going to trade down, get a zillion picks and let Washington at two and New England at three both want quarterbacks come up my guest today, it's not what I would do. I think he's never had more value. I think you can get a number one form in Atlanta. I really

do the way he's playing now. Most people disagree with me, but his value is an all time high. Got to start paying him here pretty quick. It's going to change. But my hunch is weak management goes where the wind blows, and the wind is blown in Justin Field's direction.

Speaker 1

Your thoughts, Yeah, when I saw yesterday, I think Ian Rappaport put out that eber flu is going to come back potentially. You know, this is one of the biggest off seasons in the history of the franchise. But who would want him back? Kevin Warren the president who wants to run everything. Right, Presidents, even if I'm paying you five million dollars to run my NFL team, you're not doing anything in football, So no one cares how many seats. If you sell the the naming rights of the building,

you get credit for running football. Well, those guys answer to him, right. If they fire him and then they go sniffing around other coaches, they're not gonna want to have anything to do with that guy. So I think, to me, it all starts at the top. You got to blow out the organization, bring in someone who knows Jim Harball, a real coach, who then can make this decision. Because I'm with you, I think not trading justin fields and going with Caleb Williams's insanity. I think, I think

you have to do it. But I'm not confident that really anything's going to change in Chicago. I could definitely see them running it back and then everything would be on the table. I still believe that Ryan Poles, though, who was spent a lot of time in Kansas City worked for Andy Reid, obviously saw what Mahomes did would be insane. To not throw his body up against like worry they're doing this. I quit one of those type moves because that's what happened in the history of sports. Right.

You either make this trade or just fire me now because I'm not standing for this.

Speaker 2

So fans listening to this may find this hard to believe, but it happens. If you're Washington and you're New England. You start leaking stuff when the season ends about flaws with Caleb Williams game. Yeah, real concerns about maturity, So reporters start reporting Caleb Williams dad's an issue. Maturity's an issue? Why because Chicago sports talk radio and calumnists pick up on that in the slow season and they talk about it all day, all day, and it creates this avalanche

because you know, Washington is praying Chicago ray. Chicago doesn't take Caleb Williams, so is Belichick. All these teams are so watch the the And I know the Caleb Williams situation better than I think most national guys. I know his dad briefly. I know Caleb and people around He's a good kid. He's emotional, he can be moody. Okay, this guy, he's the first nil superstar in college sports, right, but good kid, five tool player like Barry Bonds and

baseball can do everything, run, hit, power, glove. But watch watch the teams that want them. Because everybody knows the Bear. People around the league don't respect the Bears from office. It's a winds blowing and you're going to start hearing all this. Kayla Williams is trouble, bad locker room guy, and Chicago media will seize that.

Speaker 1

You know who those leaks usually impact. Most people think it has a huge impact internally, Like the gms have all the information. Well, these guys their scout, they've been through, the coaches learn this stuffs it impacts the owners. The owners are the ones driving around their car listening to it, and they get freaked out and then they start asking questions. That's the un kind of told story I think in football is the information getting to the owners and the

owners freaking out about stuff. So I'm one hundred percent with you, but I still believe as we say here today December thirty. First, i'd be stunt if Kayleb Williams isn't a bar in six months.

Speaker 2

I would make the move. I would get a first or a second from Atlanta, and I would And then you know, it's not like if they keep justin fields and move down. It's not that there's not value. They could get two firsts, two second I mean they yeah, they get all they get an absolute haul. All right, So we've got a lot to talk about, and I do want to talk about some college stuff because Michigan Bama, Washington Texas played tomorrow. I first want to broach this.

So don Yee, there's a story that was leaked to Adam Schefter that Jim Harbaugh has signed with Don Yee. So it's that's not really a big story. Everybody knows Don Yee is close to the Chargers and Harball. That's not the story. But it got leaked, and Harball wanted it leaked. So the question becomes, I have been told by two sources, one in the building, one out. Chargers absolutely do not like the image in Los Angeles that they're cheap, so they're you know, they're saying, hey, we're

building a new facility. Now to that, I would say, you have to You can't be an LA team with an Orange County facility and force your players to drive an hour and a half in traffic. But be that as it may. They're building it Nelsugundo, which is by so FI, and it's going to be a beautiful facility. They've also argued they spent on Bosa, Herbert Lindsley, the Center. They're not cheap. That said, they have a smaller staff than the Rams, the Eagles, the Niners. Be that as

it may. I have been told they are going to aggressively pursue Jim Harbaugh. Belichick's viewed is more controlling, older, not great energy, sort of a downer in the building. Harbaugh is relentless, but there's optimism and energy and fun and he's going to have more control and the Spanelistys are willing to relinquish some of that. It got leaked though, So as the Chargers lose to Denver today, why did it get leak? What's your interpretation of that?

Speaker 1

Well, to me, he's coming back to the NFL, and I think the only quest is will the charge. He has one hundred plus million dollar contract waiting for him me in Michigan, right, they have no problem paying him. I think the wild card is the Raiders. I mean, this is a guy whose career started as a coach with Al Davis. History of football means a lot to him. Now, you could say Mark Davis, Antonio Pierce, Listen. He's taken some big swings and it's backfired. The difference is Jim

Harbaugh is a guarantee to work. It's a guarantee. He's four for four at a high level. Four for four now, like you know, it kind of worked. No, it's worked in spades everywhere. So I think the Raiders the brand. I think you know, Mark has no Mark doesn't care like he wants to hire you. He did it with Gruden, he did it with JOSHN. Ziegler. He doesn't want to do any of this. See John Spano's like he's like essentially the GM slash owner, right, he plays a big role.

Like those guys, what are they gonna do? It's in Harbaugh's very uncomfortable Mark Davis. The Davis family's used to uncomfortable. His dad's was a crazy man. John Gruden's a crazy man like they They embraced that. So I think the Raiders are a major, major curveball. Don Yee, what are the connections? Well, who just went there? Jimmy Garoppolo. Who represents him, Don Yee? Tom Brady, you know he bought a team, part of the team. Then they claimed it

wasn't enough money. But that's not dead yet. Donnie's got connections to Vegas written all over, no state income tax. You know, Harbaugh spent a lot of time on the West Coast. I do not think it's a lock like I think the Chargers could be bitting against Mark Davis. They have a prior relationship. They've met before when the forty nine ers met him. You know, Antonio Pierce fun story.

I think it's a pretty big stretch. Now. I do think he was a leader in the clubhouse if he kept winn against he goat bet by the Colts today, like their offense is terrible. I mean, Jim Harbaugh immediately fixed you. The Raiders are a lot like the Chargers. Now. They are a bigger deal in Vegas because they don't have to compete with anybody, but they are very very irrelevant in a city that like does not do a relevancy.

So I think that the that the Raiders are a team to keep an eye on, now, you know, I mean, do you think Harbaugh's I feel like he's one hundred percent gone. He wins national championship, He's for sure gone. We'll get into I kind of like Washington win it all. But regardless, I mean, he almost left a couple of years ago, so I think he's ready, especially with everything that's happening with the NCAA.

Speaker 2

So let's pick this can be the same topic, Michigan Bama. So I Michigan Bama. Is this It's the most consistent team in the country, Michigan against the surging team Alabama. So I've seen Jaln Milroe be awful a couple times this year.

Speaker 1

He got bench to season.

Speaker 2

I mean, he was bad against Auburn, and Auburn thinks so. But they're a surging team and Harbaugh has not been great in bulls. There's a lot of different reasons and beliefs on that. But I like Michigan because I know what I get my issue with Michigan. If they had one over the top star receiver, if you put Marvin Harrison on that team, I think they'd really hand it to Alabama. But they don't, and so they sort of

suffocate you and pin you down. Does it affect the way you think think at all that the SEC has been great in bowls and the Big Tens looked awful. Does that influence your thoughts on Michigan Bama.

Speaker 1

Well, yeah, simply Saban versus Harbaugh. Like you said, Harball has been safe to say a flop. I mean in some of these big, big games. Obviously the Super Bowl until the lights went out was a disaster. The last two Bowl games, I mean, Georgia manhandled them. Now you can say that's one of the great college rosters of all time. What about last year? What the hell was that? So? To me, the Saban thing. I could not put any money on Michigan. Now I think they are gonna win.

They have all my scouting buddies, have eighteen guys that are gonna get drafted. Teams loaded more complete than Alabama. But Nick Sabans used to this. Nick Saban's the opposite right, won all these playoff games. So I would be very very nervous if I was. I think if he, I think there is a ton of pressure on Jim Harbaugh. You can't win with this team with all these guys against a flawed Bama team. I had buddies that do the sec that were like at the beginning of the season,

Knick's gonna go eight and four this year. This is the worst team he's had the last decade. It actually shows what a great coach he is to get this team by the end of the season, you know, beating Georgia, But this is not you know, you're seven eight years ago Alabama team that is just now. They got good players, but it's not. Jalen mill Roll another thing that the media I saw the reaction to Bill O'Brien telling him to change happens all the time in college football. Jalen Hurts,

Nick Saban told Jalen Hurts sit on the bench. People get told they're not good enough in college football. This football. People get benched, transfer leave teams all the time. He has improved. You know, he's a good deep but he's got a big arm. He's not big, accurate, not much touch, great athlete, but I listen, Michigan should win this game. But Harbaugh in these moments has to make you nervous, a ton of pressure. I think part of the theory

is gets a little tight. He's got a little Peyton manning. He wants it so bad. Yeah, and it's just you know, Nick's just well, Nick's used to this. This is, you know, another day at the office for Saban.

Speaker 2

Well, what it's really interesting you say that Michigan went six and zero without Harbor on the sideline. It's almost like, hey, my kids are always like, uh, if my wife doesn't go on the vacation, my kids just don't want to go with dad because dad's intense. Dad's yelling at the airport. It tells you that Jim's a great culture builder, but

sometimes on the sidelines his assistance are more chill. I mean, what does that tell you there's six and oh without him, Alabama's not six and oh without Sabing on the sideline. And I think it's a really good point about Jim. Jim builds a terrific culture. But sometimes bowl games. This is why Kaylin de Boorr is scary to face the Washington coach. Get to that in a second. Sometimes bowl

games reward clever coaches. Urban Meyer could be very creative, just creative enough in a bowl game, just create Lou Holtz some of these guys that are just intense and kind of this alpha and this is Jim and repetition, and they don't bring a lot beyond that and that creativity. I think Jim's offenses are somewhat dependent on a younger creative set of eyes to elevate Jim. And I do think there's a Peyton Manning quality where his teams feed

up his intensity. But Michigan has been very consistent, Alabama has not been. So might now win or lose? I actually am in the minority here. I don't think it matters. I think Jim's going to pro football eventually. I don't think if he wins or loses a natty, I don't think it matters. Because Michigan is still going to be good. He's beaten Ohio State three in a row. He's done what he wanted to do, dominate the series of Ohio State, bring Michigan back, and make him an elite team that's

playing in the playoff, win or lose the Natty. He also knows that the South has far greater high school programs and he's at a disadvantage. It's why Brian Kelly took the LSU job over Notre Dame. Everybody knows this, So I don't think winning and losing a NATO he changes Harbaugh, do you?

Speaker 1

Uh No, because it's no one anyone that's around Harbaugh thinks he's impossible to know anything he's ever thinking, you know. So Harbaugh's just in his own little world. If he wants to go, he's gonna go. If you know, he's got a good thing going. They love him there. He's resurrected this program. They pay him a lot of money. It's not he's not leading for the money at this point. Like Jim, Harbaugh's absolutely loaded from coaching football, let alone playing.

To me, the question though, is like bowl games are hard to judge, but not a great couple of days for the Big Ten. I mean, Ohio State scored three points, another quarterback transferred. Penn State's fucking terrible. Those are Michigan's two best wins. Look at who Alabama. Alabama beat Georgia. I don't know, that's a pretty good win. LSU's not bad. I mean they've had a lot of just they've been tested against a lot of NFL. The Big Ten turns out this year might not be that good. So I listen,

Alabama should not win this game. You know, I don't think one thing Jim is good at with things going on outside, like Willie Leave, it doesn't really impact him and the way he carries himself. I know some coaches can get weirded out by that, just the way it just impacts them, the way they interact with their team. Jim is probably normal Jim Harbaugh to his team. I just wonder if they're tested enough. I know, they beat the shit out of everyone they played early in the

season that are not any good. And then the two good wins they have, I don't know if those age great. Especially Penn State. I mean, that was a good win for Michigan, and they are lane destroyed them.

Speaker 2

Ye all right, finally Washington getting four to four and a half against Texas. I'll take Washington the points. I think this game's actually pretty simple. Like when Detroit and Dallas played, they had eight hundred yards offense six yards of play. You knew there was gonna be a lot of offensive firepower. Score didn't reflect that, but there was a lot of offense. Texas has better athletes, and their interior d line could give Washington's guard center guards real problems.

Washington's talents at quarterback, receiver, left tackle, on an edge rusher. Texas has more players. Texas, on the other hand, has really a weak secondary, bad at corner. So if Texas can't create pressure on Michael Pennix, who will sit there to the last second, Washington is going to get the ball down the field. My feeling is over the course of four quarters, three and a half hours, Sark will have some tricks, they'll be clever, and it'll be a shootout.

Thirty eight thirty four. That's what it feels like to me.

Speaker 1

You.

Speaker 2

I will say this though, and I told this to a friend yesterday at the gym. He was he's a diehard college football fan. I said, I'm not so sure. Kaylin de Borid the best coach in the country, Like I when you watch Washington's receivers block. When you watch Washington the emergence late in the season of their run game, that's coaching. They don't have four and five star running backs. They're doing stuff that's beyond their players. I mean, if you look at them, Penis came from Indiana and that

all sorts of physical injuries. Virtually every unit on that field, outside of maybe receiver, is over delivering. Playing over at Skis. My guess is they both score a lot. Eventually, Texas's ability to run and pound the football helps to wear down Washington, but you don't feel that way.

Speaker 1

Our partners at DraftKings built a sports book about five minutes from my house. I'm going to get in the car tomorrow, probably around noon after I work out, and placed one of the biggest wagers I've ever have on Washington. I don't like Washington. I love him. Kaitlin divores four and oh is an underdog at Washington. He hasn't lost

the game basically two years. I think that him and Grubb, his offensive coordinated right hand man, have been together now for almost two decades winning at every level, I mean big, at every level. They do not lose. And it's not just they don't always have the most talent. You saw that Oregon game, that was one they had the underdog card to play and it was we're gonna out coach you. And to me, sark and I know everyone likes him, and I know you know him. A lot of people

know him. I don't know him. People like the guy. He has never won. This is easily the best season he's ever had. The Big twelve was fucking terrible. He has he has the highest payroll in college football when it comes to nil like they have the highest they have the most talent money can buy. And that's that's the rules. They're playing by him, Kaylan duboor. It's not

like he's like the little engine that could. They got NFL players on the offensive line, on the defensive line, they got star wide receivers, and they have a quarterback who's proven in big moments on the road in neutral sites to be incredible. And to me, it all gets back to the coaching. I will take Kaylan Duboer over Steve Sarkisian every day of the week. And I think they win this game, which I expect them to do. I think there's a decent chance they win a Natal championship.

Right now, they're seven to one on DraftKings. I don't think it's crazy, right if they win this game, why couldn't they beat Why couldn't he beat Harbal.

Speaker 2

Well, Yeah, and the other thing is you get an offensive coach against potentially, say, but a defensive coach. There is a little bit to be said about you know, Michigan Obama beat each other up. I mean, that's gonna.

Speaker 1

Be a war zone.

Speaker 2

A war zone game. Washington Texas may look like a big twelve game. It may be spread out, fun moving around and all of a sudden, you know, it's not a finesse game. But it's not a pound game Michigan Bama, I can tell you right now. I mean, Michigan would love to throw the ball thirteen times and just pound Alabama and never get I mean that's their game plan. Washington could throw forty five times. It could look like

flag football. So the winner of Washington Texas may come out of sort of a like a flag football game where it's a lot of throwing and healthier and have more energy.

Speaker 1

I'd give it to the SEC, but you could make the argument in twenty twenty three, the best conference top to bottom was the Pac twelve. Washington didn't lose game and the second best team, which easily could be a playoff team, may beat twice and really they'd beat three times in a row. Right, So I mean this team, the Big twelve, we act like Sark blew everyone out. I watched a lot of Texas games like he was a weird game throughout the season. You know that they are.

And he has a little quality When he should run the ball, he gets a little pass happy, and he's not a guy. It's it's not like this is his fourth playoff appearance as a head coach. He's like a seven and a half lifetime average win a year guy. You know this is an outlier. See Kaylin Dubor is used to playing in championships. Now they're at different levels, but he's gone in the Pac twelve immediately dominates. I love them tomorrow, Colin, and I'm not this is taken.

I think Texas is good. I'm not acting like they stink and this is not going to be a close game. But I think the differential of him if Jim Harbad leaves, who's Michigan's first call? Oh yeah, So if Ryan Day would have got fired yesterday after losing fourteen to three, who do you think they're calling? So it's like this is this is a guy that in five years are we talking? Is he the next Kirby Smart? You know, I think it's very possible.

Speaker 2

I think he's as good as any coach in the country. I talked to an Ohio State and Boostery yesterday. He said, if you asked me today who's the coach in the year, I'd say Kayln Dbor at Ohio State. And I said, well, Washington's gonna get to eight million dollars. And you know Washington's program, it's the one. I'm a Husky right since

I was a kid. It's really an interesting program. Despite their geographic isolation and the fact that Washington has about twelve Division one players a year of the state, they've had four great coaches, Don James new Heizel briefly, Chris Peterson, and Kaylen d Boor In all of them, they were in the national championship discussion with Down they wanted with Peterson playoffs, Kaylan playoffs, and new Heisel had an eleven to one team. I think Marcus Tuyas's SOBO beat Perdue

and the Rose Bowl. I mean they were very very good for a couple of you beat Miami.

Speaker 1

Remember, I think if you just removed part of it is no one really knows this, like the betting market, right, Like why are they such a big underdog these if you removed Washington and Kaylan Duboor and USC and Lincoln Riley just had the same season. USC's probably favored in this game, right, but it's Washington, is Kayln dubor where was he coaching ten years ago? And Mai? I think they are insanely undervalue. Now. That doesn't mean they could

lose tomorrow Tech. This is loaded, but I don't think it's out of the wrong seven to one to win the national champ Oh, you gotta do you win this game? They'll have beat Oregon twice in Texas, who killed Alabama early in the season. I think I think Washington, honestly, I don't think it's crazy if they win by like ten points, because I think he's that great of a coach. I think his assistant, Nick Saban, tried to hire Ryan Grubb as his offensive coordinator last year and I was

reading an article the other day. I think by Pat forty and Ryan's like, listen. Obviously Washington matched the amount of money, but he's like, I value being around my guy. He empowers me. We have a great team. We set out to do what we're doing, and I think that tandem of that group is kind of got some vibes. Now. They got a long way to go of like Kirby and Nick, it's like a power tandem, and they have. They have taken the pac twelve by storm the last two years.

Speaker 2

His name is John Middlcoff, wildly connected, former Eagle scout in the NFL Three and Ounces podcast at the volume. We do an hour on Sundays and it's my favorite hour of the week. Tomorrow, two big ones. You've talked me into Washington. Well, I was gonna take him in the points.

Speaker 1

I'm taking them money.

Speaker 2

I don't think you're wrong. You know what, I don't know why I'm talking myself out of washing it. I should be a Homer. It's the one team I beat. The audience would allow me to be a home er. I grew up in the Pacific Northwest. I thought Oregon was going to roll him the second time and the and I think Dan Lanning's good.

Speaker 1

They were a nine point underdog and he kicked their ass.

Speaker 2

And I think Dan Lanning I watched more than twice Life excellent staff. They manipulated first snap on, manipulated the game. It's like, what am I watching here? John and Joy or Tito's tomorrow, Buddy, I got a case waiting for you in my garage.

Speaker 1

I'm ready for it. Go Dogs. The volume

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