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All the politicians, quite rightly, yes, talking about the bravery of the driver, the bravery of the guard, the bravery of those passengers. Cynic in me says that's right, that's proper, but that's probably the first thing they learn, which deflects from why the hell haven't they got answers, that we're not safe.

On trains. Do you feel safe? Are you on your train this morning? Were you on the train last night? I told yesterday the story of my young son, you know, terrified. He was abused, well, approached and verbally abused on Sunday night going back to college. And this is on the back of the fact, I learned overnight, that assaults on trains have tripled.

in the last decade assaults on trains have tripled in the last decade again without getting on my soapbox when you think about how much one pays to go on a train it's not the very least that we should expect to be safe Love to know your thoughts on that. Also, I mean, this is guaranteed to get you going wherever you are. Yesterday, we told you that the BBC, the British bloated company, and I can gladly say this because there's about as much chance of me working for the BBC as there is me flying.

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This is very emotional for me. This morning, Rachel Reeves will lay the ground for, well, taking more money. out of your pay packet and making the admission that she's frankly useless at a job. She's going to say, it's everybody else's fault that I've got to raise taxes. I know I said I won't, but I'm afraid I'm going to have to. And stand by, all of you, because it could be.

that she will be doing this speech at ten past eight. Now, the producers, the Reverend Christian, I'll tell you more about that later, he thinks we should take this live. I'd rather go and bowl my head in a bucket. But we'll see what happens. So there you are. Those are the main news stories this morning. 03444991000. Text to 87222. And we love your voice notes every single day. Is it WhatsApp? That's what you do. 03444991000.

But he's been waiting, he's been grafting, he's had his make-up done, his hair is flicked back. We say a very good morning to the legend that once was, Peter Blexley. How are you? Good morning, Mr Kyle. I'm very well, thank you. It's quite interesting, as you walked in today, as you strode along, you had the old police mac on.

It looked to me like a mack that you would have worn in the old days of the Sweeney to make a few arrests, PB. At six o'clock in the morning, I was renowned for going through people's front doors. dragging them out of their bed, slapping the handcuffs on and throwing them in the back of the van, mind your head. Mind you, that wouldn't... Thank you very much. That wouldn't happen nowadays. Can we start with this main news story? Front of the Sun. I mean, unbelievable. Train suspect knifed...

two before attack. We have to obviously say these are alleged accusations. He is a suspect, suspect of course. Anthony Williams, 32, yesterday appeared in court on 11 attempted murder charges, based on what happened on that train. But it transpires, if you believe this, that he...

I mean, there are major questions about your ex-colleagues after this suspect's 24 hours of knife mayhem. I said it before, waving a blade in a barber, stabbing a 14-year-old boy allegedly in the face and attacking somebody else. What the hell's going on on our streets? If you can hear the sound of a shredder going this morning, I suspect it may well be mental health workers somewhere. Anyway, I'll say no more on that front. No, please do. Well, you know.

I must not speculate this man has been charged, so I'm going to speak in pretty generic terms about the state of Britain, increasingly dangerous Britain. frontline police officers' workload, what they do and how they operate. The harsh reality of life is now compared to when I was wearing a uniform.

which was a long time ago. If there was a stabbing back in those days, everybody on our shift, it was called a relief then, would flood to the scene, somebody would deal with a victim, somebody would be searching for witnesses. people would be looking for the suspect, trying to pump out as much information as we could to get what would clearly be a dangerous person in handcuffs. The sad fact of the matter is now...

is there are so many stabbings that sometimes police officers are dispatched to deal with it. And it may only be a couple of officers. They may record the details. They will try, of course. and preserve the life of the injured party or if it's a less serious stabbing and it's something that can be dealt with with a visit to hospital and there's no threat to life it does not get

the resources and the importance applied to it that it did in my day, because it is a daily occurrence. When I was a frontline cop, a stabbing was a shocking... But it is a shocking event. I keep thinking about that train and then I think about, allegedly, three incidents the day before. And, of course, we'll all rein in on the police and say, yeah, there are huge questions for you to answer. This goes back to politicians cutting the numbers of policemen and women on the streets, doesn't it?

Workload. It has to be that. It certainly does. But it also is very much the fact that senior police leaders for the last generation or a half of policing have turned it, remember, from one example, the Metropolitan Police... force into the Metropolitan Police Service. Is that because the word force is dangerous? We can't say force. Far too intimidating. And not only did the name change... But what they do, they changed themselves. They morphed into a kind of pseudo-social work organisation.

Getting involved... Do you blame the coppers on the streets or do you blame their bosses? Because, of course, you made a point, which I think is really important. You know, something like this in the old days, they would flood the streets. Now there's less resources. But there seems to be a groundswell of opinion which would say that...

that actually the police don't seem as not interested, not as rapid, not as... The whole thing seems to have changed. I mean, I always jokingly say, you know, we were scared of the police. Well, you know, I mean, if the police were going to take you back home to your mum, you were in trouble, right?

Yes, and I understand that. And you might have been in even more trouble, courtesy of your mother, than you would have been of the police officer. But I see youth laughing at the police now. They don't care. Yes, they do. But I remain, unashamedly... A huge, huge fan. In fact, I love those committed frontline police officers who go there, who actually want to be slapped in the handcuffs on, who want to be...

What if you hurt somebody's wrist, though, in doing that? As long as it's proportionate and necessary, you'll be fine. But the police need to be a bit more robust in their own defence of their actions. But you've got to remember... They've got an unfit-for-purpose organisation, the Independent Office of Police Conduct, that will crawl all over there. and take years to make a decision over actions that were probably decided in a second or less. You've got police chiefs...

These ones who are climbing that greasy pole of promotion, who are managers and not leaders, they are desperate to get the next rank. They will trample upon anybody in order to do that. And because, in the name of inclusivity, for example, they have driven so many of the nonsense policies and directives that they've handed down or they have joyously embraced from another. pathetic organisation, the College of Policing. I get regular messages from the front line, or quite often,

via their parents because they don't want to contact me for fear of being hauled over the coals and losing their job for speaking to such a dangerous commentator as me. Are you dangerous? Well, that's how senior police would regard. Why is he... Yeah, exactly. And the parents say, my child, my daughter, my son, join the police. They love arresting bad people.

but they do not enjoy, for example, a lot of the pseudo-social work that they get sent out to do, and they do not like spending an entire shift sitting in A&E guarding somebody. or being called in to sit. in a cell with the door open because somebody is apparently a suicide risk. That is not what they want to do for 8, 10, 12 hours a day. These officers, the ones that join because they want to get out there and really make a difference. save lives.

Nick people are getting increasingly frustrated. Love to know what you think of that. I agree with PB completely. 03444991000. Keep this text coming. 87222. This will get you. This is guaranteed to get PB going. Trains have tripled in a decade. I asked you this morning how safe do you feel? Mark in Croydon. Watch PB go. I get to train five days a week and the things you see is just a snapshot of UK life, I reckon, Jez.

Feet on seats, rubbish left on tables, music on video calls without headphones. It's the general behaviour of society now. I'm all right, sod everyone else. That's the attitude and it does my head in, says Mark in Croydon. Nailed it, Mark. Anybody who follows me on social media, particularly X, will know that from time to time I post photographs of people with their grubby shoes on seats.

because it is so antisocial, it is so disrespectful, it shows such a lack of consideration for others, and it irritates me. But the lowering of general standards... Oh, I completely buy into that. I travel on trains most days of the week and I concur entirely. And I think that standards have dropped weirdly because we're talking about how the police spend so much time making sure that they're a proportionate in terms of how they respond.

and they're worried about their bosses saying, did you do this? Were you treating the people unfair? I look at it like kids, right? Kids actually respond to discipline and they respond to routine. That's how you bring a child up and I should know. But the truth is, right?

I believe that that fear factor, just that respect, I think that's gone. And I just think that permeates through society. Eddie says, say this to Pete, there are too many bloody police manning the hotels housing illegal migrants. that they're not on the streets looking for the real crooks. There's a lot of police officers doing anything but being out on the streets. How does anybody think above them that that's a good idea? Oh, you see, senior police officers are in the grip.

of academia you see because they've all been to university and got their degrees so they have letters in front of their names as well as after their names as well as in front okay they love academia and which is borne out by the fact, you know, posh people that go to university when they meet other posh people that have been to university they don't say what university did you go to they say what college did you go to because of course the universities are usually broken up into colleges

different names and what have you. That's why, because they're so up themselves, they call themselves the College of... Policing. It used to be the National Policing Improvement Agency, but no, no, no, not academic enough for them. They have to call themselves the College of Policing, right? This nonsense affects the front line. Yeah.

I couldn't agree more. And I think so many things that are happening in this country right now, I always say the silent majority have woken up. They've woken up to the immigration problems. And I think in terms of, you know, safety. I just want to ask this question this morning about people on trains. The sorts have tripled in a decade. Do we feel safe? Do we not have a right to feel safe on our streets, on our trains, in our everyday life? And you hear stories of women who are...

too scared to walk home at night. I told the story of my son the other day, old people being abused and all of that sort of anti-social, I don't know. I was watching a commentator from America the other day saying, what the hell's happened to the United Kingdom? It's just that so much.

of the fabric of what I was brought up to believe in seems to have gone. And I don't know how you get it back, Pete. I don't know how you get it back. I believe you get it back by being a bit more officious and a bit stronger and a bit more...

more resolved in the way you deal with them. Or as I would say, robust. I am very, very fortunate to be contacted and to meet lots of people on pretty much a daily basis. So many people these days are telling me... They are scared. Literally, physically scared. And on a broader theme, they're also scared about what kind of country is going to be left for their children and their grandchildren.

People want something done. Now, look at the police. They mobilised 6,000 officers to respond, OK, they had to, to the disturbances following Southport. They also, the Metropolitan Police... mobilised some 6,000 police officers to deal with the Notting Hill Carnival. Which tells me the officers are there, which tells me it's the will, right? It's the government. So...

They are there. OK, it might be unsustainable to do it each and every day. I get that as senior officers whinge and moan at me. But the fact is they can mobilise. in numbers. And the fact what needs to be done now is to tackle and challenge the culture of people carrying knives. And I don't care. if I'm stopped and searched. I'm stopped and searched every time I take my rucksack into a football ground. I'm used to it. I'm not bothered by being searched or being stopped.

But, you see, you have the left. In fact, you have the right, Theresa May, that appalling woman and her dreadful tenure as Home Secretary and Prime Minister. She... forced the police into doing less stop and search. It halved or more. And look what the result was. Well, listen, I had this discussion yesterday and somebody, I thought, wrote the greatest text ever and just said, look, if you...

objecting to being searched and stopped, then presumably you've got something to hide. The big debate has always been, and my job is to give both sides of the coin, I'm guessing, is that they will say in London, Sir Sadiq, God, don't get me on there.

He will be saying, you know, if we bring stop and search back, you know, it's disproportionate and more young black men will be searched than white men. You're going to throw a figure at me. I think most people in society would say it doesn't matter the colour of your skin. It doesn't matter where you come from, your religion or your...

Creed, if you're carrying a knife for your scrote, you need dealing with. And I'm with you. I'm quite happy to be stopped. I had an amazing councillor. He used to be the police commissioner in Bedford, GSD Festus. Can't remember his second name. Amazing man. He said, I've been searching.

three times that I was the police commissioner. He said, I'm not going to stand there and say it's because of the colour of my skin. Bedford streets under this guy were safer. And he was very straight and honest. I think most like-minded people would say, we want more police on the streets. We want to be able to... who feel safe in our everyday lives. And actually, we're prepared, I think, to have whatever is needed to make that a reality. I don't see how that's difficult.

I firmly believe that Saturday 1st November 2025 should be a watershed moment, but the Prime Minister has been, well... silent almost as far as I'm concerned, whereas he and police chiefs should be standing up and say, OK, please forgive us, this is now a watershed. Said it earlier, I don't know where you were. Things have to be done like...

properly, robustly, and we're starting as of now. Completely, but you know as well as I do that what happens is the political notebook, rulebook, whatever you want to call it, will say, get out there and talk about the bravery, and that's really important. Why are you not talking about whose fault this is or what you're going to do to make sure this doesn't happen again? Does the first deflect? The second, Tony.

Gannon says the police allowed the hunting suspect to run amok the day before. Allegedly, how many people did he actually attack? What are the facts? What were the police doing during this bloody time? Dave's in Aberdeen. It's not just the young. Here in Aberdeen, we have a bus service that offers... sure workers use, and they put their luggage on seats and their feet. They don't care if people are upset. It's a disgrace. Society's heading down the carsy.

I think standards have dropped hugely in society, not only in terms of crime and knife carrying, but general courtesy. After you, madam, can I help you with that? Oh, I can't do that. Oh, well, I travel on public transport a lot, and one of the actual benefits of doing it is that I so often get the opportunity to help people with their bags, to give up my seat and such. I'm going to tell you, I've never told the Senate, because God rest his soul, he's no longer...

with us my old man worked in london 41 years and he came home i would say about three years before he retired and i don't think i've ever ever ever seen him more upset this was a man grounded in what i called principles yeah wicked sense of humor And he told my mum and I that he got off at Green Park, he got on at Paddington, Bakerloo Line. And one day he was in the seat at the end and a woman came on and she was heavily pregnant.

And she also had a child on her back in one of those things that nobody should use. And he stood. and said, would you like my seat? And in front of the entire carriage, she was 60 at this point, she said, you sexist git, who do you think you are? What you think I'm not strong enough as a woman to be able to stand up? And literally, I never saw him cry very often. He was so devastated that night.

because almost every part of the fabric of what he believed in, opening the door for a woman saying, destroyed. And some of that... And I'll stand in the face of any feminist or lefty who tells me it's wrong. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I think that's a nice thing, a good thing, and it's disappearing. Of course. And I do it on a daily basis. And I overwhelmingly, in fact, I've never had an experience like that. True story. That your dad had. But...

I always get a lot of gratitude for doing it. Stand up. If there's a family, you know, give your seat to the kid or whatever. A person older than you, all right, I don't see many people older than me on the tube. It's not possible. But I still do that. look aghast sometimes at rows and seats of young people earphones in heads in their phones not looking around not giving any consideration or appreciation for the potential needs of others

and that is just a lowering of standards. But I'm not going to lower mine. I've drummed it in my kids that manners make his man, and I shall abide by that until I gasp my last. Good man.

There we go then. 6.23, not that you care. Welcome to Talk Breakfast. So, main headlines today. The police are facing huge questions this morning, team. The guy that was arrested and is facing the charges of 11 attempted murders on that train to hunting. and it transpires that he was...

allegedly taking part in stuff 24 hours before, allegedly stabbing a 14-year-old boy, appearing in a barber's and waving his knife, stabbing somebody else as well. Where were the police? What the hell's going on? Where are our politicians? On the day that we can tell you that assaults on trains... have tripled in a decade. How safe do you feel? I will continue to build the strong foundations to secure Britain's future. Until Zia will be with him in two days. A more prosperous Britain. A Britain.

with an economy that works for everyone. Get on with it, seriously. Thank you very much. What? What? I'll now take... What? Sorry, sorry, sorry. Stop, stop losing... Sorry, put me on the screen. What? I've just sat through that diatribe of complete and utter tripe for 26 minutes. I will not get that time back in my life. And she hasn't said that she's going to raise... Christian, help me out. This is... Really? Right. Okay. Cheers, though.

I bet Rachel will tell her she's putting tax up 12p, then come to the budget, she'll only put it up by 2p, then claim to have taken 10p. I'll bet the voters will fall for it. Hayley and Surrey. Jeremy, I love it when you talk over these politicians' waffle. The one with Trump and Stalin was the best and funniest thing ever. Watch this Rachel rub.

You're the only person who's telling the truth. Enjoy the bickies, says Hayley and Surrey. Surrey, I'm slightly confused by the whole process. She's not announcing taxation then, Chris. She's just carrying on, is she?

That's the way it is. Have we got Zia Yusuf ready? Right, let's just go to the man himself. I last saw him over a gin and tonic on Thursday night. Zia Yusuf, head of policy at Reform UK. I've just spent 26 minutes of my life... listening to waffle from a woman who can't add up and i'm never going to get it back and she still hasn't said she's going to raise taxes but we all know she is

Yeah, I mean, it's pretty horrible to have to listen to that and put up with it. And I think the British people are sick of it. They're sick of the fact that we've got a drunken sailor at the tiller of this great economy, the United Kingdom. They think she will be post the budget that's coming. She will have raised taxes faster than any chancellor in 50...

five years. She's already going to borrow 40 billion quid more than Labour committed to. They're spending money like drunken sailors. Despite Starmer's walloping majority, he has got no hope of getting a penny of welfare.

cuts through the welfare state is now a runaway train uh to which the whole economy is attached unemployment is at four-year high sovereign debt is close to three trillion quid and interest payments alone by the end of this parliament jeremy interest payments alone will be the equivalent of over four thousand pounds

per household in the UK. We have a Labour government that is utterly inept. I mean, I tweeted out yesterday and I don't think there's a human being less qualified to be Chancellor than Rachel Reeves, although I had a number of people respond. and said I'd raised you Ed Milibat, which is fair enough. Yeah, I think...

I think the thing about it is, and I think the most frustrating... I don't even want to watch the pictures anymore. I'm so bored of the whole thing. Just put zero in. See, the thing about it is, and I'll get on to Nigel and what he said yesterday, is... The frustrating thing, I think, for so many people is that this party simply...

came to power with that Ming-Va's policy of saying nothing. So incompetent were the Tories, and so little were the British people believing almost anything that the Tories were saying. These people were voted, and they talked about the first 100 days. It has been catastrophe to... I can't even say the word. But financially, I mean, last month she borrowed £20 billion, half of which, more than half of which, was, as we know, used to pay interest on debts. We are...

mired in this debt. And I said it earlier. I'd love your take on this, really. I was brought up by a mother who still on her last legs had a book and it was what you had in and what you spent and what balance she had. That's the way she lived her life. They didn't have a credit card. All of those things were alien. But this woman to me, and we joke about she can't add up.

If you arrive and there's a black hole, you know this from running a business. You make cuts until that black hole's gone. You don't give your union paymasters a rise. You don't give the Mauritian people tax-free money when your own people are struggling. And you look at that. speech and you go look I could give you the benefit of the doubt but you look completely out of your depth nobody believes the words you say

And Nigel yesterday said that Britain is heading for economic collapse and can see Starmer and that government falling in 2027. And when you watch that, I mean, absolutely, right? Yeah, I mean, it's utter incompetence. It's betrayal. Because, I mean, look, you talked about Chagos. Yeah, that's once again infinite money seemingly available. You know, they've pulled it from a magic money tree, right? Billions and billions of pounds in order to cede sovereign territory.

and then to pay to lease it back. Then you've got things like welfare payments. One of the policies we've already announced is that UK welfare will only be available to UK citizens. I know that sounds crazy.

But that's what the policy would be. It makes total sense. It's what most serious countries in the world do. That will save over 10 billion every single year. But I'd also add this, though. No matter who the Chancellor is for Labour... no cuts are going to be possible because of the parliamentary party. And people actually forget, yes, Labour won that landslide in terms of seats, but Keir Starmer actually won fewer votes than Jeremy Corbyn did.

both times jeremy corbyn ran and we remember corbyn was not exactly hugely popular so you're right the only reason she is chancellor as big as the tories Basically, the country had had enough of the lies and the treachery and the betrayal of the Tories. Now reform is offering a real alternative. Look, what we're saying is we're going to bring competence back. to government. Nigel's cabinet will be serious people and we've accomplished

excellent things, accomplish greatness in the real world, in their domains of expertise. And we'll have a parliamentary party because hopefully we're going to go from five MPs to 350 to 400 MPs. That's the goal. That's never happened before. What that allows, Jeremy, is a whole parliamentary party. fresh and willing.

to vote for things that they believe in. They won't need to be told what they believe by the whip because they will have stood to be a candidate, would have been selected on the basis that they believe all the things that we are talking about. So right now, this is a very difficult time for British people. is insane cost of living you know rents now in this country if you rent a place you're now spending 36 of your take-home pay

In London, that's over 40%. But you talk food. I mean, everybody listening to this will say that when they go to the supermarket, it's three times more. I was talking to my wife the other day, talking about electricity, all those sorts of things. I just want to...

Listen, you know I voted reform. I was very honest. I try and be as balanced as I can, and I will be. One of the things that people say to me, and we've worked together loads, one of the things that people say to me a lot, which I think Nigel tackled head on yesterday, and a friend of mine who was a cynic... about reform rang me up last night and said, your man did good last night. He abandoned yesterday his unrealistic tax cut bans. This is reported in The Telegraph. Nigel yesterday gave...

a very balanced view of the reality. Now, the thing about politics is, and we look at it this morning with Labour, who are being accused of lying in their manifesto repeatedly, you'll say things... Right. Things will change and your approach has to change or you say nothing, you get criticized or you say nothing and people say we need meat on the bone. This is an ever changing situation. And the biggest critics of reform will say these people haven't got any government.

My answer to that, I'd love yours, is, well, if you look where we are and you look at what we've been through, I think a majority of people in this country will go, even if they're a bunch of incompetent businessmen. they've made millions, they probably aren't, who completely mess this up, they won't. Do you know what? I'd like to give them a chance because where we are right now is, it's awful. And I think that...

is probably the reform reason. And listen, you can talk about policies and I think that's great. But the biggest pull for all the people I speak to is the sheer incompetence, the lack of trust, the lack of belief in politicians in general. And you said something. I always thought that Trump, in his first tenure, he had...

People were sacked left, right and centre. He's obviously put thought into this cabinet. Professional people, it seems, more professional people who seem to have lasted longer and are getting the job done. And that would be, for me, a blueprint for going forward for reform as well.

Yeah, that's exactly right. I mean, at the moment, the only qualification one seems to need to become Chancellor of the Excheque is to have carried an MP's bag around, have a useless political science degree, maybe gone and gotten a few cappuccinos for your boss and given them bad advice.

and then chosen the right leader in a leadership election and run the gauntlet. And then lo and behold, you're Chancellor. And that is in no small part why the country is in this catastrophic state. And you put it well earlier, when the national debt is closing in on £3 trillion.

And this country is now spending almost the equivalent of the defence and the school's budget combined just to pay the interest. And money is being borrowed to pay the interest. That is the equivalent of somebody... taking out a new credit card just to make them payments on another credit card that they've already maxed out so we have to be real about

What is going to be possible? Firstly, we've already announced tens of billions in cuts in no small part by, in terms of spending, in no small part by prioritising UK citizens and saying, sorry, if you're a foreign citizen. You know, I got asked, I did the broadcast round yesterday and they said,

Who's going to lose out in terms of public spending? Who's not going to get the things that they're used to getting? Well, I'll tell you what, the foreign nationals are claiming universal credit, right? Or any other form of welfare. Or living inside social housing. I don't know.

Can I jump in and say, if I went to another country today and I went, listen, I'm coming to live here, I haven't got a passport, I haven't got any documentation, I haven't got a job, can you please give me a house and some benefits so I can sit on my backside whilst people of your country are working and paying...

taxed, they'd look at me in the face, laugh at me and deport my arse as quickly as possible. It makes no sense, this country. Of course we shouldn't be giving benefits to people who shouldn't be here. It's ludicrous. No, and we're getting, they get taxis.

they get currently the this government is spending four billion pounds a year four billion just on accommodation alone for illegal migrants and asylum seekers they go to the front of the queue in london the majority of social housing um goes uh to foreign nationals this while our veterans by their own veterans who made huge sacrifices for this country are at the back of the queue or indeed actually being evicted

by people like Serco and at the behest of the government as a result of these HMOs, you know, where they're being taken out of these hotels and they're being dispersed into local communities, into multiple occupancy homes. Jeremy, it's all so... frankly treacherous it is so unacceptable we are a laughing stock and you go anywhere else in the world they always always ask what on earth is your government doing why does your government appear to hate

British people so much. And so our answer is very simple. Yet you will get accommodation if you're an illegal migrant. You'll get it for maybe a week or two. You will not be allowed to leave because it will be detention facility and then you'll be deported and you will not be allowed to come back here.

If you come to this country illegally, you will never be granted the right to remain. No ifs, no buts, full stop. We make these sorts of changes, Jeremy. That's how, you know, you use the term trust.

And I think you're absolutely right about that. People, politicians now, as a result of what the Tories did and now what Labour are doing, which is just as bad, the British voters have just lost faith in anything that politicians say. And that's why what reform is saying. with regards to the economies. Look, of course, our ambition is to cut taxes. People know Nigel's the sort of person who would do that as Prime Minister, but we have to first restore the public finances.

And I think, you know, if you look back very briefly, just by the way, we just had this cut up. The biggest giveaway that Reeve said, because the whole thing was quite boring in terms of taxes, when she said, we'll all have to play our part. So we all know that tax rises are coming. I think for Nigel...

I had a conversation with you some weeks ago, personally, over a drink, and we were talking about how people perceive politicians. You think about Thatcher. You know, for many, she'll be a hateful figure, but for millions of people in this country, she went, listen... There's the medicine you're going to have to take. We're in a terrible position.

To take that medicine won't be nice, but it will get us to a position where we are far better off. I think this country is calling out for a politician. I hope it's Nigel. It might be somebody else. I'm being completely honest when I say that, who actually says, listen.

I'm sure I've done this, that and the other. It's not about me. I'm laying in front of you what I believe can change the lives of people of this country. I am going to be attacked and vilified and slagged by every institutional part. of this country. But you know what? I put that in front of you because I believe that gives me a chance. And that's what I think right now reform does. And I'm being very open about that. It might change in three years. I don't know. But I think the people lack.

a belief that there's much inspiration in politics. And if you looked at that this morning, the text I'm getting, people saying, I've aged 20 years, I'm going to go and have facial surgery. I mean, honest to God, man, you look at that and you go, that's the person who controls... Our purse strings. Oh, my God.

And she didn't even announce anything, to your point. It's one thing to waste people's time like that and put people through it, and then to announce absolutely nothing. These people are devoid of ideas. They also don't believe in anything. They don't believe in anything. Their sole purpose is just to cling on. to power, first to gain power. They spent 14 years in opposition, which is why none of their ideas were ever tested in the real world. They've now hit reality.

And I'm afraid for them, because their understanding of the real world is so shocking, the economy is deteriorating at an even faster pace than it was under the Tories. Now, listen, very quickly, I'm going to play you a clip. This is a clip, a big story in The Telegraph today.

It's a bit off. You'll like this, though. The BBC doctored a Donald Trump speech by making him appear to encourage the Capitol Hill riots. I'm going to play you, Zia, 10 seconds of what the Panorama programme played on the BBC, and then I'm going to play you 10 seconds of what Donald Trump actually said. Watch this. people this is shocking this is the BBC for god's sake we're gonna walk down to the capital and I'll be there with you and we fight we fight like hell we're gonna walk down

to the Capitol. And we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women. Zia Youssef, you appear regularly as probably one of the only sane voices on the BBC Question Time programme.

aren't you going to be questioning yourself on the round, being on a station that can literally doctor the truth? That worries me immensely, that today. Truthfully, that worries me. It's absolutely shocking. It is absolutely shocking. And I don't say this with any joy because I grew up loving shows like The Office.

And, you know, the BBC does have, you travel around the world, it does have this incredible reputation built over decades that is now, sadly, being torched by things like this. And here's the crazy thing. You know, you look at that clip, you know, obviously, if any station, even if talk, you know, you're trying to take...

speech and you're going to edit it of course you're going to edit it a bit do you know how many minutes elapsed between the first part of uh what he said and the second part you know the fight like hell versus the first part 52 minutes yeah He used the words fight like L50. That's barely even the same speech. You're basically taking two things that some person said at some point in their lives. Our state broadcaster, Zia. Our unbiased state broadcaster. Rubbish.

And all to fit a narrative, right? Because they despise President Trump. And again, whether you love Trump or you're indifferent or you despise him, the reality is we should demand far better from a broadcaster, by the way, that people are compelled. to pay for it will be quite what it will be one thing

For a broadcaster to do that with, you know, as a completely private enterprise to do that and persecute people who basically conscientiously object and say, I don't want to pay for the BBC is quite another. They have such. a monopoly still on too much, I think, of the public space. And I'm shocked that they haven't actually apologised. Just very quickly, I ask this just as personal interest.

What will reform do if it gets elected? I think the BBC... I don't believe... I mean, yesterday they were talking about increasing the licence fee from £174.50 to £180. I think it's morally wrong. I think we live in a world whereby people... choose what they want to see and watch and they pay subscription. I don't believe the model works. I think it needs defunding. I think it's a disgrace.

Yeah, look, I think that definitely does need to be looked at. I think forcing people to pay, and especially given the way the BBC has behaved. And by the way, this is just one example, because a dossier was published by a whistleblower, right? I'm sure there's going to be... Many, many more.

I think we need to look at a new mechanism. Look, my hope is that there can be a reboot. Maybe I'm just being naive here because, again, I grew up watching great BBC shows and watching great BBC news presenters from decades ago. I hope that there could be a reboot in the BBC. newsroom based on what I'm seeing and for example their coverage of reform and

political figures to the right, like President Trump, I'm afraid that I may well be naive in that thinking. Just one final question. I was watching some stuff online about Nigel talking about the ECHR the other day and the Commons and being... you know, heckled by these elected MPs who painfully don't get what's going on in the country. And I watch Question Time and I watch some of these programmes and I always come away thinking...

The people that we speak to, the millions of people I know who are so intent on change, so many of these programmes don't ever give. airtime or even acknowledgement. It must be as you go around, you and the guys and Sarah, it must be difficult when you, on the one hand, feel that the establishment is just wanting to kick you all the time and yet you... You know, there's huge numbers of people going, yeah, you're talking great sense. Keep at it.

Yeah, well, it's actually rather than making it difficult, it makes it all worthwhile knowing we get those same messages, too. We get emails, DMs, lovely letters from pensioners, people coming to the end of their lives saying, you know, for millions of people in this country, reform isn't.

just another political party, Nigel, just another political leader you might put a cross next to in a voting booth. Reform is for many people, and I'm using their phrase because they use it repeatedly, their last hope. they keep saying this is their last hope reform is their last hope nigel's our last hope to turn around this great country

for which so many sacrificed so much. And they see there's a last hope for their children and for their grandchildren. And so we carry that on our shoulders. And that's why we will tell the truth, no matter what the cost. we will continue to make the case to as many people as possible that there really is an alternative to the appalling treachery that we've seen from the political class in this country for decades.

Good note. Listen, Theo, thank you, mate. You're the only reason I managed to get through that stuff with her. Honestly, I think my life was nearly ended. I hope you've survived the Rachel Reeves speech. Jennifer Lawrence and Robert Pattinson star in Die My Love, a ferocious portrait of a woman engulfed by love and madness. Lawrence and Pattinson play a passionate couple who, after moving to an isolated house in the country, find their relationship unraveling following the birth of

of their first child. Vanity Fair hails Lawrence's performance as astonishing, and Time calls it the kind of performance you go to the movies for. From director Lynn Ramsey, Die My Love is only in theaters November 7th, rated R. If you were with us an hour ago, we had to sit through 26 minutes of the most mind-numbing boredom I've ever known in my life. Rachel Thieves, our Chancellor, who patently can't add up.

spent 26 minutes telling everybody that the reason that she's going to have to raise taxes, not that she said that, is everybody else's fault. She blamed Brexit, Farage, the Tories. She didn't blame the Greens, did she? Ed Davey, responsible people. No, she basically blamed everybody.

And said, and I quote, we'll all have to play our part. And we're all sat here waiting for her to say we're going to raise taxes. Nothing out of her cake hole except confusion. So your thoughts on that? Cos patently. That's what the Labour Party will do. They'll raise your taxes. 0344491000. The biggest news story for me, I mean, it's this appalling story on the front of the Daily Telegraph. The BBC doctored a Donald Trump speech by making him appear to encourage...

Those dreadful capital riots from a couple of years ago, according to an internal whistleblowing memo seen by The Telegraph. As a result of this story and the response, thank you for it, by the way. Can I say a very good morning? Sarah Elliott, Chairwoman of Republican Overseas UK. I used to be. I'm a spokesperson now.

Who put the wrong... Honestly, the quality of... I'm joking. Sarah, we haven't met. Delighted to have you on. Thank you. Thank you. This story, when I first played this clip this morning, even I nearly fell off the chair. So for people just perhaps tuning in, right? The BBC has long been criticised by broadcasters like us who believe that if you are going to be...

the voice of reason. You're going to be the state broadcaster. You should be unbiased. I have long railed against that and said, I think they're left wing. I think there's an ideology. I think there's undoubtedly an institutionalised view that the BBC goes with. This is absolutely appalling. This is Panorama, OK? A sort of flagship news-based programme that goes out in the evening. If you don't watch it, I don't. We're going to play you what Panorama said...

This is Donald Trump's speech. We're then going to play you... What actually was said by Donald Trump and Zia Yusuf, head of reforms policy, told me what, 10 minutes ago, half an hour ago, there was 52 minutes between the first bit and the second bit and they put it together. Have a watch. We're going to walk down to the Capitol and I'll be there with you and we fight. We fight like hell. We're going to walk down to the Capitol.

And we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women. Sarah. From my personal point of view as a Brit, I am embarrassed to say that is the BBC. That is lying. That is... But that is appalling. That is misinformation. That is criminal, in my opinion. Whoever edited that should be named. I think the director general of the BBC, Tim Davey, is on thin ice anyway. This is graceful.

It's disgraceful. It's deception. Yeah. It's not reporting. And they know that they are privileged in the broadcasting world. They have this reputation that people will believe them. And they put that out there. to purposefully make you think badly of... President Trump. And that really affects the American and UK relationship. It affects how people view the UK's best ally in the world. It makes it harder for Americans like me to go out and defend.

the Republican Party or the Republican president. But it also makes me less likely to want to go to the BBC and spend my time, you know, trying to put a best foot forward for my country. And you wonder how you're going to be. Exactly. Tam is in common. He says the BBC claimed that Trump incited violence. Turns out because of the way they edited his speech and lied about it, they in fact were the ones who could be held responsible for inciting that violence.

Well, I think they should be held responsible for this poor piece of propaganda. It's not even journalism. You know, it is what's also amazing to me about the BBC is that. If you have a complaint about it, you don't go to Ofcom. You actually go to the BBC first. They mark their own homework. And they mark their own homework. But they're the only broadcaster in this country that...

is allowed that privilege. And actually, Bill and Romsby, Trump should sue the BBC for false news, fake news and defamation of character. He probably will. Good. Can you tell him to? Because I think there's an absolute bloody outrage. Well, Don Jr. has tweeted about this. They are aware of this at the...

White House. And, you know, the White House is following what's going on in the UK very closely here. Let me talk about that, because interestingly on this station, and as you know this from a broadcasting point of view, when you have an election, there's a thing called Purdy, you have to be straight down the line and you have to make sure you say the Greens are a reasonable alternative and all that sort of stuff.

ridiculous. But here we are where we're at. At the moment in this country, Nigel Farage's reform party is ruling the roost. The critics will say there's no meat on the bone, but millions of people in this country are saying, look...

We just need and believe in this man. He will be brave enough to take on the institutions, the criticism, and we believe that he is essentially proud to be British, will make tough decisions, a bit like Thatcher, and will turn this country around. You went through this yourself.

and we look across the pond rather enviously sometimes. And let me say this to you, you're a Republican. Not everything the orange man baby does do I agree with, and I'm sure you'd say the same, but there is something remarkably intoxicating, I think, by somebody who...

does what he says he's going to do. And I always use the example of the southern border. And I remember about two weeks after the inauguration seeing this CNN report where there was a woman with a baby and her husband all stood on the southern border crying.

And the guy sort of said, why are you crying? He said, because there's no point in me breaking into this country because they'll send me home. And I remember looking at the street and going, yes. And then somebody sent me these figures that I think July, August... May, June and July last year, nearly 400,000 came into America. And the same time, a year later, less than 500. So for me...

Donald Trump does what Donald Trump says he's going to do. Everybody up in arms about the tariffs, but that's for the benefit of the United States.

I don't see that in this country. And I think people are fed up to the base. Well, they are fed up. And what I tell Americans right now, because they are concerned, everybody asks me, Great Britain is great. What is happening? Is it great? And well, it is a great country. It has been. And I think it will be again, but we're going through, you know, the 1970s again here in this country. And I said, listen, we are in our early Biden years right now. You know, it's 2021. Stick with it.

Don't give up. Europe is looking to America. for inspiration and for guidance right now. Like, how do you turn the train around? And I do think that there's a lot of activity, as you've cited, with reform. And there are other think tanks and thinkers out there. and broadcasters like yourself that are trying to do this. It's really interesting for me because, of course, the critics would look now at America and say...

But Trump and his election has created a divided society. A majority, of course, voted for him. And you see all the Democrats jumping up and down and Kamala's trying to sell a book. But is that the cost? I mean, we have a divided society here in this country and there are people whose views...

I don't mind what your view is. You can have the different one to me. I just don't like the people who say I'm not entitled to a view and I should be cancelled and put in the bin because I think that's ridiculous. I think it's a two-way thing. But America is split right now, isn't it? That would be a fair point.

Yes, it is. But then you look at what that BBC journalistic piece or the video where they sliced and diced. I mean, that divides the society. And I put a lot of weight behind the US media. in being so divisive and churning it and stirring the pot in America. Listen, we are where we are. Trump's inherited this mess. And so he's just got to do what he needs to do to get the job done.

It seems from a distance that the second administration is far more professional, far more prepared. There's less footage of people coming and going. We had this great story over here that, you know... The Labour Party were going to hit the ground running the first hundred days. It's all organised by a woman called Sue Gray, who'd gone by day 93, which is quite interesting. And painfully to me, and I think many other people, having watched Waffle Face, Rachel Reeves this morning.

There wasn't a plan. I get the opposite feeling with Trump. It was planned to the microsecond. That's the opinion I get. No, you're absolutely right. And they had three years to do it in. They were extremely focused. I mean, you looked on day one, how many executives... of orders did he sign. And that's because Trump actually had the people around him that he wanted. He had the Republican establishment.

around him the first term. He was surprised he won. He didn't really know what he was doing. Did you all think he'd win this time? I thought the wind was at his back. Absolutely. And let me also point out that in America, we had CBS doctor the Kamala Harris 60 Minutes interview, just like the BBC did with this one in the lead up to.

the election. So we all knew there was electioneering. We all knew Kamala Harris was a weak candidate. What we didn't know was this quiet anti-Trump vote. Would that come out? Or could Trump actually get those independents, minorities? and youth to come out in the droves that he was polling at.

And he was able to do that in the end of the day. And that CBS 60-minute interview, they had to pay him $16 million because Trump sued him. I don't know if you've got a hotline to the White House. You are the spokesman for Republican Overseas. Can you please, if I... achieve anything. Could you please get him to sue the BBC? Because I think the BBC's a disgrace. Let's get a voice now. Is it Ellie? Ellie on the BBC. Go. God in the BBC.

It doesn't surprise me at all. They're absolute liars. I stopped paying my licence with the 2016 Brexit. The bias that was there was shocking. And I actually sent a long email explaining how I didn't agree with their bias and I wasn't going to be watching them anymore. They've pestered me ever since, but they're more than welcome to come around and have a look at my...

you know, come and have a see what I'm watching on the telly. It's certainly not them. Listen, I make the point, I always make the point. Try and be as responsible as possible. I'm not condoning anybody who doesn't want to pay their licence fee. I find it astonishing, by the way, that we're reporting this story, courtesy of The Telegraph, 24 hours after the BBC apparently wants to increase its licence fee.

Robert Taylor in Nottingham, I am just waiting for Donald Trump to sue the BBC. Francis in Sussex says, if the BBC can do this to the Donald, what will they do to Nigel Farage? And I think that's quite an interesting topic of conversation because... And as as Nigel Farage, who is riding high at the moment and the critics will say we need meat on the bone and people will say three and a half years is a long time out as the establishment comes for him.

Do you think, from what you've seen of British politics, that he has... I mean, the strength of Trump is astonishing. I mean, it takes, I mean, so much. Do you think that Nigel Farage has the same make-up about him? I think he has to have it if he wants to survive. And again, take inspiration from his friend, the Donald. It's going to get nasty. They hate him. They never thought he would be in this position.

position at all. And in fact, they never thought he'd be the establishment. And when I say they, I mean of the Conservative Party. Think of how many times that they prevented him from winning in, was it South? than it. They never thought he'd be in Parliament at all. Do you know why he will never forgive the Tory party? I don't care what anybody says about...

about an alliance, Christian knows this, he stood down so that Boris Johnson, he stood aside. He said for the good of the country, they promised him a peerage, they absolutely shafted him. And I firmly believe that if... You know, it was good to talk to Azir Youssef just then about policy, because the biggest criticism as we hear of reform is, you know, put some meat on the bone. He made the point yesterday, Nigel, I thought very eruditely that...

things change the whole time. And so one is going to respond to how things change. But I think it's going to be an interesting few months, isn't it? To see three years, to be honest, to see ultimately what happens. Can I turn your attention to this brilliant question? I didn't write it. Let's go back to America. So I didn't realise during the election campaign quite how useless Kamala Harris... Is it Kamala? What is it? It's Kamala, like comma.

Yeah, Kamala. I didn't realise how appalling she was. And then you watch back videos of her trying to answer questions and you think even Mark, who does the buttons here, doesn't even know his name could answer those questions a bit more successfully. Just a joke. She apparently might run again. Sarah's gone! Sarah's gone! Well, you know, she only got to that position because she didn't have to go through a primary.

In 2020, she only had 2% of the vote and lasted like only a month or two. The woman's not prepared. She also doesn't want to go up against Gavin Newsom. It's going to be a cutthroat fight in California there for their...

I think she's done. I don't think she's going anywhere. And she's going to be a footnote in history of what not to do. And, of course, the biggest problem for her when everybody sticks the boot into Trump... presumably one of the biggest criticisms for Kamala Harris, apart from her inability to speak sense, was that she was part of what many Americans see as a massive cover-up as to the mental fortitude and ability to be...

president of Joe Biden. You know what she could have done, and she would have been president, I think, if she had called the 25th Amendment, got the cabinet around the table and said, this man is not fit to serve. We need to take over the country. You think she'd have won. And then I think she would have...

definitely had a much better chance. But I'm not, like I said, there are things about Trump I don't agree with. But can you imagine Kamala Harris right now as the president of the United States of America? That is frightening. I think about it because we're coming up to the year anniversary of the election.

which is tomorrow, I think, is the year. And I just think where the world would be if she was president. I mean, it's terrifying. What about the succession? Of course, in America, you have this... You can only stand twice. There are stupid news outlets that are saying Donald Trump's going to change the Constitution and stand for a third time. I don't believe that for one second. He'll be 80 years of age. He'll have done eight years and to come back 45th and 47th, I think is pretty unique.

Is J.D. Vance the answer? Many people say Marco Rubio is the man. There seems to be a consistency around him. Are the Republicans set to dominate or do you believe the response in, whenever it's supposed to be, I don't know, 2029, whatever, to Trump? the anti-Trump vote will sweep somebody like Gavin Newsom, I mustn't say Newscom, Newscom to power.

I think that Vance is probably in the lead right now, especially with the MAGA bass and the young people. You know, he's very engaged with Turning Point, which was the Charlie Kirk out... outfit is um and I think Marco Rubio is definitely mixed up there but he's not talked about as much he's not as public he's not I think he's focused at the job at hand right now being secretary of state uh I don't see anyone

else but i mean it's all about events events events events you never know um i i don't see anyone on the left right now that can that's a formidable choice but from from a distance i you get the impression that a bit like the tour is here. The Democrats are so shell-shocked at the success of Donald Trump that nothing's happening. They're just looking at each other going, how the hell did this happen? This is appalling. This man is an awful human being. And 52% of America voted for him.

What they should be doing is looking at themselves because they're the ones that have been running the country, you know, for the last over a decade, took us in forever wars, you know, sold all our manufacturing to China. I mean. They need to look at the positions that created a populist movement. And that's what this government should be doing.

They should be going, well, why is Nigel Farage a threat? Well, that's because of net zero energy policy. Net stupid zero. I mean, raising the standard of living, inflation, the COVID spending spree. I mean... It's endless. The DEI. Oh, God, you are one of us. I'm delighted to have you on. For old times' sake... OK. We've loved having you on. We say a massive thank you, Sarah Elliott, spokesperson for Republican Overseas. For old times' sake, we're going to go to an ad break.

Well, just Kamala Howard. This lady, if she's tuning in, could have been the most powerful woman in the world. Good God. Have a watch. You know how those lids are... because this is well i'm just gonna speak okay so this is it so you know how those lids on the starbucks cups they're white right and so if you wear lipstick

They get all over the lid and so then I find myself in meetings if I'm the only woman and that's kind of and so I keep taking the lid off and having my cup out so that I don't have that big lipstick mark on the lid.

So I said, can we do something about the colour of the lid? Do you think that maybe the reason she didn't... use the 25th amendment and say that joe biden was too bob short of a picnic is because she's also i mean she that woman could have been the most powerful woman in the world that's quite frightening when you watch that i know

And I'm sorry, I'm going to say it, she's a DEI pick. She's not someone based on merit. She might have been a prosecutor, but no one really, she has no real record in the U.S. Senate. It doesn't stand for anything. Just remember, when you have your coffee, don't get your lipstick on the thing. Delighted to have you here. Sarah Elliott, spokesperson, Republican overseas. Thank you so much, Adine.

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