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It certainly can't. Good morning. It's the 1st of September. A pinch and a punch to anybody who don't lie for the first of months. JK in for Mike. If you are waking up and thinking, where is he? He's still in New York. He went on Friday. He hasn't had a drink.

He has, actually. He's still up. Anyway, we'll be back on Thursday morning. Three days of me, you unlucky people. Listen, so much going on in the world across the weekend. When we left breakfast on Friday, it was ahead of that ridiculous judgment by that High Court judge that, in fact, the people of Epping's...

Concerns about migrants centred in the fact that women were saying our daughters might be in a dangerous position. Thrown out. Starmer and his government. can stand accused, I think it's fair to say, of favouring migrants over the people of Epping. And then it comes out, this is brilliant over the weekend, that the judge in that case is being reported judicially because it turns out he used to work for the Fabian Society.

And guess what? He's mates with all those lefty lawyers, like that weirdo Herma, who runs the... I think he's the Attorney General. Reina, she's not in Ethiopia. She's in Ove. Oh, look, this is brilliant. In front of the mail...

Labour Civil War fuelling, Ange Sleaze, Clay, it came. Over the weekend, three new stories. Where did she get the mortgage? Did the boyfriend get paid some contract? What's his name? Sat the ginger one. And rumours that she used a wealth fund management consultant. All this from a woman from up north who's done so well to have three homes. But they're saying...

that Keir Starmer's position is already becoming increasingly untenable and Labour grandees are jostling for position and that's what it is. Meanwhile, front of the mirror, not that I would ever want to promote that newspaper on this station, but here we go. This is Keir. This will make you feel good. Okay, I'll defeat Farage's scare tactics

To give you some idea, lose that better minute, to give you some idea that the Prime Minister of this country has got his finger on the pulse not. Recently, over the weekend I think, he released the... If any of you can explain to me what the hell this... This is Keir Starmer posted on X. Have a watch. Oh, it's not ready. Oh, no. Oh, that's my fault. He's frowning at me, Christian. You didn't tell me you were going to do that, he says.

Totally incompetent presenter. Right, three ways to contact the show as ever. 0344-499-1000. Damien is here. He makes a good cup of tea and he answers the calls. 0344-499-1000. You can use the same number for a WhatsApp message and send a voice. We like voice notes and Christian likes to play with them, so please do that. And on the text, 8722, start your message of the word tour. It's five past six. There is a man who means more to...

me politically the most. If I ever got to a position of anything, this man would be with me. We say a very good morning to former government adviser so this man knows the truth. JP, James Price, hello!

Good morning, my friend. You're looking very dapper. Well, it's only for you that I would get out of bed at this time of day and leave Mrs. Price or more accurately, probably the dog sat at the foot of the bed to come all the way down here and be with you. But I wouldn't want to be anywhere else. You're a lovely man. What a day. Let's let's. Let's start with this extraordinary story that is fuelling, I mean, newspaper columns by the bucket load. Labour Civil War, front page of the Mail today.

fueling Raina Sleaze crisis. There are questions for her, many questions, because, of course, we've had the... You've got a house up north. You've got Admiral T. Arch. Now you've got an £800,000 apartment in Hove. How did you afford that? It turns out over the weekend she used a wealth management consultant. Not bad for a single mum from Stockport, is it? Absolutely right.

Or a 38-year-old grandmother, as she was at one point. I think the whole thing about Angela Rayner that really gets my goat is that she is a sort of posh North London Islington person's caricature of what a British working class member is like. My mum and dad...

left school very early dad's highest qualification is a forklift truck license and there's no one in this country who dislikes angina more than my mum and dad because she seems to come across as this caricature yeah she's uncouth she's rude you know she goes uh inside the the house of commons chamber and shouts both the scum scum at the tory front bench right and just horrible briefings against her colleagues seems to be totally out of her depth in her actual job and while she's on maneuvers so

to the rest of her Labour rivals, because they all smell blood, they all think that Starmer's not going to make it to the end of this Parliament, and now they're fighting like rats in a sack and the heart bleeds for the Labour party. Who would have thought that, though? Seriously, right? That a man who walked into Downing Street...

with 180 seat plus or minus majority, a few seats, 12 months ago. I mean, obviously on this station we take Starmer to task because I don't think he had a plan. I don't think he's done a good job. Right, but how many people would have thought that...

Actually, this guy, he is on the rocks, isn't he? Undoubtedly. Yeah, I mean, I think I'm probably, it's fair to say, one of the most partisan people out there. Yes, yes. Even I didn't think they'd be this bad, this fast, this many different ways. I didn't know. I'm older than all of you. of you except for mike right it's not here and i and i genuinely i was 15 79 14

I knew during the election that they would get, and I also knew that they've only got one policy, which is to tax anybody who's successful and pay all their union mates until the country's bankrupt. And that is exactly what's happening. I don't think they'll ever be elected for years and years and years.

That is the one silver lining that I think should hopefully sustain this country through to whatever the next election will be. Provided that they don't fiddle with something, they're already trying to fiddle with reducing the voting age of 16.

give the votes to all Europeans, all people here with indefinite leave to remain, right? Because already lots of people who aren't British citizens can vote. You can vote in our elections and have a house. There you are. It's all brilliant. And if you can be a member of the Commonwealth, so theoretically there are over a billion people who could come here and vote in our elections already.

Will they extend that to Europeans and other people to try and fiddle the vote so they can stay in? Unless they do something like that, I think, as you say, there's no hope they're going to survive and maybe, just maybe, it'll be the end of socialism forever in this country. I'm going to play that Starmer clip in a tick, but you know, I remember...

on drive time when this came out about increasing or lowering I should say the age for voting to 16 and I'm talking to my son Henry about it and you know we came up with a great statistic which Christian knows about there's all sorts of things you can't do at 16 but you'll be able to vote You can't phone a radio station without asking your mummy and your daddy, but you can vote for this man, apparently, or not. This is Keir Starmer. God knows where this came from, peeps. This is apparently...

what he put out over the weekend. Bear in mind, this country's on its arse. Have a watch. Before your wedding day, everyone says, it's going to be the best day of your life. And yeah, you think, well, I'm not sure. What about when Arsenal won the double? He's the tallest man! Sorry? I mean, I just look at that and I go, so you've hacked off your wife. We won't go into that because we'll probably be sued.

No mention of Lord Ali. We won't go into that. We'll be sued. You've got a terrible left foot. What the... You're laughing. You were a... I mean, talk to me. It's just crap. It's not often I'm lost for words. It is crap is the only technical term for this. This idea that this is what the young kids like, right? The people now are so stupid and vacuous that all they want is a kind of short TikTok video edit and oh ha ha ha.

Let's go back to that old school thing of making the misses be the punchline. It's given some of the stories kicking around. I think it's really pathetic from him. It's really desperate. And it shows not only does he not have a grip on the government and what the government is up to.

kind of actual strategy for the country. He can't even handle the party himself. He was quite good, actually, when he first came in, kicking all the kind of complete Corbyn freak loser weirdos out of the party and held it with kind of an iron grip. And he just seemed to have lost...

all of it automatically in what world do you put that out I said during the campaign I just don't think that it's extraordinary to think there was no plan it's extraordinary to think that I just think he's out of his depth and you're going to hate what I'm going to say I blame them I blame the Tories absolutely one million percent I mean lost

the ear of the British public allowing this rabble to be in charge of us. I mean, what's he saying on the front of the mirror today? This is Starmer at his best. I'll defeat Farah's scare tactics. Keir Starmer has vowed to tackle reform's fear tactics with a range of policies that offer genuine hope. Where's the hope in anything that man's done in the last 12 months? In fact, I was telling them in the office this morning. I read an article at the weekend. United Kingdom.

Try disunited wasteland of misery right now. You know, no border. No, no, there's no united at all. I don't... I don't know whether he was the right person at the wrong time or the wrong person at the right time, but I'm agreeing with you. He's in trouble, isn't he? Genuinely in trouble. I think so. Couldn't happen to a more horrible guy. Quite. Well, the other thing is, as I said, he did kick out all those Corbyn people. Yep.

They've gone off and tried to start their own party. Jezbalah. Jezbalah, exactly. That's great. You're already seeing the fact that the left in Britain today is mostly ultra, ultra woke progressive types who think there are 87 genders and that men can have babies.

Can they not? Well, I don't remember my biology classes, but I'm fairly certain there's not an avenue for it to go through. No, no. But you've got those guys, and you've got the increasingly strident Islamists, right? That's basically the modern left in this country.

Those two guys don't agree on an awful lot. So you've got Adnan Hussein, who's one of the independent MPs, who's getting himself involved in the Corbyn lot, saying there's only two sexes, men can't have babies, which is right. And then you've got all the ultra-progressives going, we've stood up for you and Muslims.

Slim writes, how dare you? That's not very progressive. So they're going to be fighting like rats in a sack. I'm really old-fashioned. They all hate Starmer, at least. I'm really old-fashioned. I remember when women had wombs. 0344-491000 is the telephone number. Voice notes, we've got one. Liam on rain, a go. Morning, Jezza and James and team. Well, this weekend has just proved what we all know, hasn't it? That this socialist government doesn't care about us.

and they're an absolute disgrace. I can't see how they last till Christmas, to be honest. I mean, how many cock-ups over the last, since they've been in, has there really been? But I think this one is the cherry on top of the cake. Have a great show, guys. Lovely. 13 minutes past six. Cock-ups. There you go. The footage of Rainer, honestly, apart from the fact I hate people that wear dry suits, toweling, jacket, robe things. Look at that.

Nice glass of leaf brown milk, right? Bra sticking out from underneath top. Tattoo on arm. And there he is. Is that Sam Tarrie? Can we please, is that the boyfriend? Because that's another story this weekend. So Sam Tarrie was the MP. who got thrown out, right? She's the deputy prime minister. It turned out, I think, that a company he had links to has won a big...

contract from the government and all that crap they came out with, which was, I think, justifiable Tory sleaze and PP contracts and looking after your mates. This lot was bad, man. Well, this is a big problem, isn't it? It's the hypocrisy that always gets people at the end of the day, that Labour spent all this time, 14 years in opposition, pretending that their poo didn't smell, and just thinking they had all that time to plan these things, they had all this time, and they're all the time...

Tories, the Tories, the Tories. I think they got high on their own supply. I thought they genuinely believed that they were good people and the Tories were just evil. And as soon as the Tories left, it would all be OK. They get in and they go, oh, my God, as you said, we're so out of our depth here. We've got no idea.

can't do any of that it goes back to the blob to run things yeah which has been running things into the ground for decades and decades minorly arrested by the thatcher revolution which saved us for the time being that blair comes back in superpowers that blob so the blob is running the country what does that leave labor to do

It leaves them to fight each other, try and enrich their mates, as you say. And as the Mail says as well, it actually is one really great attack from the Conservatives that caused a lot of this. A guy called Alex Burghardt, who's probably the smartest person in the Conservative Party, a guy to watch.

who's made a lot of hay with this stuff, I think yesterday on some of the shows, pointing out this kind of Labour civil war infighting. Because what you've also seen Angela Rayner do recently has been reported in one of the bills that her department is pushing through Parliament. This is really interesting.

kind of clever and away from her is there's going to be a clause in one of these bills that says that all these metro mayors people like Labour's Andy Burnham future leadership contender people like Sadiq Khan somehow some people still consider a Labour leadership contender

will not be allowed to be a metro mayor and be an MP at the same time. So Raina, I think that her hanging out on the dinghy is her sort of celebratory lap, having killed off two of her opponents. It's really interesting though, Raina, isn't it? Because, you know, and a genuine...

mean this when she when she sort of came to prominence you think you know a young grandmother who's come from nothing when you look at what she's become and how she goes about it that the thing I always say Jay and I do spend a lot of time in Newcastle people know that I haven't met any And to me, they are... distant from the working fraternity in this country as they've ever been.

And you think about the Labour Party. It was for labourers. That was the whole idea. I also think you talked about him earlier. I think I think Corbyn will nick votes. I genuinely think that Jezza will nick votes. I think you're right. I think that's why the next election at the moment is so interesting.

is not doing so well. Lib Dem's doing all right. The Greens and with a somehow. He's not going to the banquet because God told him not to go to Trump's banquet. Do you think Trump is worried about Ed Davey's support? I think Ed Davey is an even bigger... Bell Hotel, with another word, than thing. Yeah, so Starmer is taking aim at Farage. I always think as well, because you're political, right? I always think with him, it's sort of reactive and not proactive. And I'm not sticking up for nothing.

Nigel Farage. There's plenty about reform that gaps need filling in. There's people with issues, et cetera, et cetera. But Starmer doesn't seem to have still an idea. He'll react to other people. That's why I've been crying out for Badenot, whatever you tell me, to open her mouth.

and get on the front foot? I think people in this country are fed up, actually, with politicians who just wait and see what a sentence will do once they've put it in front of a focus group. Speak from the heart, all of you useless people. Tell us what you think.

And can see if we, you know, you can get our support to be courageous in anything. Yeah, I completely agree. Of course, actually, it's worse than that. Because if they were listening to focus groups or to polls, they would be dealing with the immigration crisis as well. Because that's what comes up. You actually can't. I think we've talked about this before.

You can't mention Keir Starmer's name or Rachel Reeves in a focus group. That happens on talk. Do you know that as well? Do you know if you do a focus group on talk, you can't mention my name. Seriously, people just go off in droves. Honestly, it's outrageous. Stop it. It's true. Now, back to the sun. The lovely newspaper. Big Feats from page 8 and 9. This is really interesting.

£300,000 new homes for asylum seekers, four houses rent-free in village, whilst our own community really, really struggles. What in the name of God do they expect? people, hard-working people right now to think when they read that. Well, they expect exactly what the government lawyers working for, Keir Starmer and Yvette Cooper, the Home Secretary, argued in court at the end of last week about Epping, that the rights of asylum seekers in Great Britain...

are more important than the rights of British people. How bad is that? How bad is that? That's where we've got to. And this is why I think that there's so much civil strife that's coming down on the horizon. That's why people feel this level of hopelessness that you've talked about. They had an election, a great big swing away, and whatever I think about the Labour Party...

party they have a mandate to go and do all kinds of things i think the things they'll do will be terrible whether it was economics or culture or whatever they had a mandate to do it and all that's happened is that things have got much much worse and it looks like actually however useless my tories were for a while in some areas

They managed to actually stop, it turns out, the blob, the system, doing an awful lot of bad stuff. As Louis XIV, they say, après moi la déluge, right? Don't know what that means. I'm not into the French. After me, the flood. The Tories go out of the way and suddenly all of this horrible stuff is coming.

down the line that Labour aren't doing nothing to fix including things like this and this is a logical conclusion when you have a series of laws sent in from first Brussels now Strasbourg with the ECHR that says in law you have to statutory

give rights to these people you have to give houses to these people you have to give money to these people i'll tell you what we'll do this is the education secretary bridget phillipson how did she get the jobs this is this is her on sky news yesterday talking about if you are listening in epic or across the country right this is them explaining why, in their mind, asylum seekers have more rights than us, although we're paying the taxes. Have a watch.

It is about a balance of rights. When people come to this country and claim asylum, we have a responsibility as a government to assess their cases and to process them. got a clear right to be here for those who have evidenced what they are facing in terms of persecution, refugees, then that will be decided. Where they don't, then we will take action to remove people from the country. So we do have a responsibility to process those cases.

And the responsibility to those asylum seekers is more important than the responsibility to those who live locally? Our responsibility to those who live locally is also important as well. But doesn't it tell you everything, very quickly, right, that the balance of that is we're going to start, if you're the education secretary, saying it's important that we treat asylum seekers perfectly under whatever treaty we're at. At the very end, when pushed by the excellent Trevor Phillips...

Oh, yes, the rights of locals. She absolutely... I've got another one. She absolutely agreed with the judges. Bridget Phillipson, again, don't yawn. Do you agree with what your lawyers said or don't you? Yes, of course we do.

Yes, of course we do. Should we do a bit of work here? Should we prove that we're not put together? The judge who ruled asylum seekers can continue to be housed in an Essex hotel has been reported to the judiciary over the weekend amid claims of apparent bias over his links to left... organisations. Lord Justice, has it been...

Oh, hello. Well, honestly, that sums it up. Delivered Friday's landmark court of appeal. Basically, a leading barrister has referred the senior judge to the JCI, the office, the investigation, which deals with discipline and claims of potential convicts.

He was chairman of the Socialist Fabian Society from 89 to 90, which works very closely with Labour and is an old muckler of Lord Herman, that disaster of an attorney general. Jobs for the bleeding boys again. And Phillipson, Jesus. Well, two bits here. I mean, Bridget Phillipson...

And if you haven't heard the name Lucky You, I think she's genuinely the most disgusting member of this cabinet by a country mile. She is sacrificing the future prosperity of the nation's children on the altar of her attempts to succeed Keir Starmer. I think she's a dreadful woman. I think she is evil.

I think what she's doing is evil. And I'd go so far as to say that she can come at me all she wants. She's a dreadful person. I've worked in that department. I've seen what the good you can do with a decent education policy, transforming the lives of people up and down the country. She wants to destroy that on the altar of her.

she's a dreadful person and on this on this judicial stuff right we talked about the blob already a few times today this is what the blob does this is what actual hard leftists do they get themselves into all these different institutions where you can't be voted in or or crucially, voted out, and they will do their evil left-wing socialist stuff. And once they've got themselves inveigled in, they'll put on literally on the robes and all the rest of it, and then if you dare criticise them...

You are criticising the independent judiciary. How could you do such a thing? And then the right look like baddies. They're not. And we need, I think, to clear out the entire Aegean stable to this, get rid of all of this stuff and start it over again, because all of these things... They've been infiltrated by termites. The home of common sense. This is talk.

Dennis in Mitcham, good morning. He says, I'm 75 years of age and have seen this once great country slide towards Marxism. Keir Starlin and his comrades disgust me. It's all going on today. We've got Angela Rayner, you know, three pads Rayner, the minister. for housing herself. She's in trouble. They're all gearing up to have a go. Labour civil war fuelling rainer sleaze crisis on the front of the Daily Mail. But don't worry, don't worry. Keir Starmer, your elected Prime Minister.

Front of the mirror, I'll defeat Farage's scare tactics. There it is. To give you an idea of the lack of confidence that I personally have in Keir Starmer, I'm going to play very quickly before we speak to Isabel Oakshot. Across the weekend, like on the back of, you know, the government taking...

aim at our very own people in Epping and siding with migrants against everything that seems to be going on. Tax rises, civil unrest, lack of promises. You know, what do they say? No, income tax, no, you've raised everything. Keir Starmer.

thought that he would address the British people. I wanted him to stand up and say, listen, I'll be listening, I'm going to do stuff that's constructive. This is what he put out on TikTok. Before your wedding day, everyone says, it's going to be the best day of your life. And yeah, you think, well, I'm not sure. What about when Arsenal won the double? I'm really sorry. I know. I know. Obviously. What? What?

0-3-4-4-4-9-1-000. We say a very good morning. I need her to calm me down. I need to be taken into a room with a wet towel. Isabel Oakshot talks international. Is it me? What the bloody hell is that all about? That's our Prime Minister, our country.

seminal moment and that's what he thinks diss the wife in public that'll go down well and fuel any more rumours yeah i mean once again absolutely clueless isn't he As you said, he should be out on Downing Street saying, I've listened. I get it. You know, I really don't want to see more of these protests, but I understand why people are taking to the streets. And here's what I'm going to do about it. And it seems that...

Home Secretary Yvette Cooper, who's been sort of missing without trace. Haven't seen her. is about to pop up today and thrill us all with some new measures that they're going to take tinkering around the edges of the asylum appeal system and also reducing the vast number of people that you're automatically entitled to bring into our country once you've been granted asylum. As always...

Way too little, too late. People are not listening anymore, I'm afraid. And that's the point. I'm going to say it all day. I mean, there, Mrs Balls, you make a really good point. On the 8th of August, because we played this clip last week, she said, I'm going to give... She didn't sound like that, obviously. I'm going to give...

Daily updates. That was three and a half weeks ago. Today will be the first time we've heard from her. It's really interesting. There's been so much since we last spoke. And, of course, we came off her on Friday in Morning Glory and then that dreadful... I was at home... that sort of result about the government, the Home Office, trying to go against the people of Epping, and they won. We'll talk about the judge in just a tick. But, I mean, most people I know said...

Is that our government going against its own people? We had the unglorious site yesterday on Sky News with the excellent Trevor Phillips. Bridget Phillips, an awful woman. This is what she said about the whole debacle. And listen, Isabel, listen. favours asylum seekers listen to this it is about a balance of rights when people come to this country and claim asylum we have a responsibility as a government

to assess their cases and to process them. For those who have got a clear right to be here, for those who have evidenced what they are facing in terms of persecution, refugees. then that will be decided. Where they don't, then we will take action to remove people from the country. So we do have a responsibility to process those cases.

And the responsibility to those talent seekers is more important than the responsibility to those who live locally? Our responsibility to those who live locally is also important as well. Is also important, Isabel. We have a clear responsibility. So before you go anywhere, so then she was pushed further. Do you agree with the judge's judgment, for want of a better phrase? Have a listen. Do you agree with what your lawyers said?

Or don't you? Yes, of course we do. I mean, honestly, again, what am I in politics? Nothing. Are they not listening to the British people? Do they think that millions of people are far right? Because I think millions of people are just right. What an absolute vote loser that lady is. Any opposition party just needs to play that interview again and again and again. My God, it got my hackles up, didn't it, you? Yes. I mean, look, so frozen in... in complete lack of

empathy, a complete lack of grasp of what it is that's going on in our country. She doesn't get it. None of them get it. And how they don't get it, I don't know, because all they need to do is actually go and talk. people go round the city centres and the town centres that are ravaged by the impact of mass uncontrolled immigration. Go and look at the effects of losing control of our borders on communities.

And then maybe you'll get it. I don't think you get it just by sitting in the Palace of Westminster or in Whitehall in your Whitehall department. You need to get out there. I completely agree. Of course, when we went off air on Friday, when the judgment came... I didn't know this, but it turns out that Lord Justice Bean, that's quite funny, Mr Bean, who delivered Friday's landmark court of appeal ruling, turns out that he was chairman of the Socialist Fabian Society between 89 and 90.

The mate of Lord Herma, that disgrace of an attorney general, another one of those left-wing socialist human rights lawyers, all tied into Starmer. So we're sitting there, aren't we, on Friday and Thursday and the weeks before going, any government would want the people to be heard.

And he sat there the whole time, Starmer, rubbing his hands now that one of his lefty socialist Fabian society loving mates was going to do him a deal. But again, politically, you're far more switched on than me. Do they not care? what the people of Epping and further afield now feel, which is very simply this. You picked some migrants over us. We're supposed to be your indigenous voting public. You picked migrants, illegal, actually illegal immigrants over us. That's a fact.

I mean, this wasn't a victory for the government. There was no it was a no win situation for them, because had the judge upheld the injunction, they would have had an immediate practical problem of where to put all these.

You say there's no way to win. That's because they've come up with bugger all answers to make it work. That's because they've been completely useless. But their temporary victory, as it were, is no victory at all because they've just showed what side they're on. And that is a... political disaster actually. There is a whole other phase to this court battle. It begins again in mid-October.

But I don't expect I just my instinct is strings will be pulled, you know, influence will be brought to bear. And this is not going to succeed, in my opinion, this legal case. But nonetheless, at least now we know where we. all stand. You know, at least the government has shown its true colours and they are not the colours of the British flag.

I was quite interested, actually. Yesterday evening in my little town, I went in to get some cash from the cash point and the roundabout was painted white and red. Fantastic. Although that will probably get whoever did that arrested. So we've got that, the migrant situation.

another story today about the migrant, which I just want to do with you quickly, which is frightening. Asylum seekers have been put in new £300,000 townhouses in a Suffolk village, complete with ensuite bathrooms, electric vehicle charging points and an underfloor heating.

Poverty-owned three-bedroom properties have a rental value of 1,200 a month. They've been leased to public service company Serco, working on behalf of the Home Office. So if you're in that Suffolk village that we're not naming, I don't know why, and you're going to work... You just pass people who get to live in nice houses, probably better than yours, for absolutely nothing. And as John in Portsmouth pointed out just now, people at Jez don't live to work anymore.

They work to live. Great show. I feel like a second-class citizen. That's it. That's what the British people think.

Well, you kind of are a second class citizen. I mean, in other countries, they do this completely the other way around and they actually actively and unashamedly prioritise their own citizens in the allocation of... public resources and services that those citizens have paid for that's just common sense you know that ensures that you don't have divided societies in which one side resents the other if you were born and you know you

grew up in the UK and you've contributed into the system, in my opinion, you should be prioritised over people who've just rocked up on a boat illegally and frankly are pretty unlikely really to be fleeing war and terror. But that's my point. If you listen to Philipson, did you hear her? She says, you know, we've got a clear conscience of people who are escaping persecution. Is the woman stupid or thick or just deranged? Because these are illegal immigrants coming from France where there's no...

No war-torn problems at all. It's just that we do more than the French do. And I keep saying it on this show and I'm going to be thrown off. If I was in a country where my family were being bombed, I'd bring them with me.

I wouldn't leave them there to be blown to smithereens. I'd bring them with me. You know, plus the first country I got to where there weren't bombs raining down on me, Ed. I'd stay. We're a soft touch and people have realised we are. And people like Phillips and all these people are so divorced. from reality and it will bite them on the bum but you know what's worrying so many people is is is that

In another four years, where are we going to be? We're laughed out on the international stage. We're skint. No doubt we'll go cap in hand to the IMF soon because our Chancellor can't add up. It's frightening. It's the first time I've ever as a father and a grandfather felt frightened. I mean that. No, I genuinely think it is frightening. You know, we can all see the impact already just of a year of this Labour government basically not just continuing what went on previously.

but failing to stop it getting worse. And I really think a lot of people fear for the future. They are genuinely worried about the disintegration of our society.

on social media over the weekend. I hope it was better than Starmer's one. It was crap. Well, it's had a million views, so that might be more than Starmer's.

It's garnering. What it was, was a protest in Knightsbridge, so a very strange part of London, a protest that was being conducted entirely in bellowing Arabic through four big, big loud... speakers and a bunch of it was essentially an all-male protest outside the Sudanese embassy or some Sudanese building there and it was all being done in another language and what the hell is

that all about you know public protests in foreign languages in the center of our cities are by their very nature divisive and what is the point of them this is britain people need to be able to if you're having a public protest, surely the point of it is to persuade...

other people or the authorities of what your argument is. It's no good conducting it in a foreign language. And I think that so many voters are horrified by all of this. What has become of our city centres? Yeah, completely. I couldn't agree more.

Let's get on. We've talked about the incompetence of this government. Let's talk about... Because I know she's a friend of yours and we don't want to insult her too much because I know you and Angela Rayner are quite close, aren't you? I don't think that's the case. You like to share a leaf for our Milch bottle occasionally.

front of the Daily Mail. Labour civil war fuelling Rainer's sleaze crisis. We know that three pads Rainer, the Minister for Housing herself, has got a new pad down in Hove. Nobody seems to know how she afforded it, where she got the deposit, whether she's trying to screw... The stamp duty. God knows. The whole thing's as easy. There she is. That's that lovely picture. Tattoo. Tab. There he is. Is that the ginger boyfriend?

I've no idea. Anyway, here's the thing I want to ask you. So over the weekend, obviously there's questions about apparently the boyfriend, if that is Sam, the ex, I don't know. He's apparently associated with the company that got a massive government loan. Then it comes out that the ground...

The single mum who did so well for the little Stockport council estate, she's used a wealth management consultancy company to try and work out how to buy this. And on top of it all, front of the mail, which is really interesting, is that Labour's civil war, they're all at each other's... throats. This is probably opponents of hers briefing against her because they're all sniffing blood because Starmer's on his last legs. I mean, talk about meltdown. They've only been there 12 months.

I actually think Big Ange is in quite some serious trouble over this. When you say big, what do you mean by big? Well, what I mean is she's big in personality. I think calling her Big Ange is actually less insulting than you calling her a grandmother. Quite clearly, she is not. Maybe she's technically a grandmother. I'm a grandfather. I think it's demeaning to her and her status to call her a grandmother. She is adept.

She's Prime Minister and she certainly doesn't look like a granny to me. So can we agree? That is, I think that's a bit sexist, actually, Jeremy. You're joking. I'm just going to come out with that. I think calling... Angela Rayner, a grandmother, is sexist. You can't define her like that. Oh, my God, that's very... I stand corrected, Isabella. Well, she is a grandmother and I'm a grandfather, so if I call myself a... Grandfather is that sexist?

If I called you a grandfather, you'd be a bit grumpy, I reckon. No, I wouldn't. I love it because I like being a grandfather. Imagine if I came on the radio this morning and said, Morning, Grandad. Tell me about that. Oh, I love you, Isabella. She's in trouble, though, isn't she, mate? Seriously, she is in trouble. I think this has been really damaging. You know, she got away with whatever that other row was about a year ago on the council. She got away with that. This is so dodgy. I mean...

When you're in her position, you've got to just think, how does this look? It doesn't matter whether it's technically okay or not technically okay. OK, it just looks really, really irregular. That's me. No, you're absolutely right. And what it does is, which is why it fuels that article in the mail this morning, that it might be people dropping her in it who are scared by her popularity. But you go back now, this is.

isn't sexist to say. She's the darling of the unions. They made a big thing, didn't they, out of this is the single mother from Stockport who's fought away. But I have to say, when she first arrived on the scene, I thought fair play to her. But she's turned out.

and this is absolutely correct to say, to be as big a scrounger and taker advantage of situations as she spent... Well, she was the one that called the Tories scum. She was the one that said everybody had their noses in the trough. Turns out she's as bad as the rest of... It's not worse. I think that's where the anger comes from with Reyna. Do you know what I mean?

Absolutely. And I think you're right about the politics of this. She is quite clearly, or was before this, the front runner to replace Keir Starmer. I certainly think she provides, poses the biggest political... to the popularity of reform in some of those... Do you? You do? In some of those northern seats, yes. I mean, what reform supporters would probably say is actually she's not that much of a threat.

because she's hopeless with numbers. She is not credible on the economic side of things and would quite quickly be found out on that. But nonetheless, I think she's pretty formidable and she's... the front runner or was and there is a lot of politics going on behind the scenes here about those who would quite like that job themselves and are probably briefing against her. Isn't it interesting how quickly it becomes that, from the euphoria of 12 months ago and having that...

amazing sort of mandate, to be fair, on the back of everybody had stopped listening to the Tories, that within 12 months there's dire position in the polls, there's infighting and people are already positioning themselves. I mean, you made the point about...

financially. I mean, the other great story today is Rachel Reeves. 40% of Rachel Reeves, people asked in the electorate, don't want her to raise taxes. And most of this country thinks she's incompetent at her job. And you look at her and you look at Philipson that we played in education. You look at Rainer with her three pads. And you think, this is seriously talentless. This cabinet is so unimpressive. And listen, we had the Tories for 14 years and they weren't that impressive, but this lot.

All of them seem to be out of their depth and just wedded to ideology, Isabel. It really is shocking. And I think there's a lot of nervous anticipation of this budget. You know, we're hearing this, just the ever louder drumbeat of more tax rises. I mean, I'm surprised that only six in 10 people think.

it's unacceptable I know that's true yeah where are the other four what's wrong with you yeah what is wrong with them I mean these again these are people who only probably benefit from yet more allocation of resources from wealth creators to people who are just the takers. That's what I can only imagine because carrying on taxing your way out of a hole just doesn't work. And I don't know how Rachel Reeves gets out of this because evidently...

Her colleagues don't want any cuts. You know, we've seen that with the welfare. Impossible job. Impossible job. But if you win an election, which somebody said, I wish you keep you should. Somebody said that the clips you and Mike play on this show, you should give to reform for their campaign. We've already this morning played a clip where he said, you know, we're going to get rid of shoplifters.

We're going to keep council tax. It's never going to rise. There's going to be no VAT. I mean, they have been duplicitous on almost every front. And that's why Farage and his team are doing well. And even Bednock's found her voice well. just once, and you think to yourself, I just, what I don't get, Isabel, is how incompetent these people are. I mean, so, so lacking, not even in empathy, they're just not listening. And Nigel Farage has managed to say to the British people, I hear you.

And that's why at this moment he's being, you know, he's being lauded, I think. In a sense, it's just not that difficult. That's why I don't get why they don't get this, because it isn't that difficult to connect with voters on this issue. The issue isn't complicated. This isn't some kind of, you know, fine-tuned... rarefied you know deep complicated economic concept this is just a bunch of illegals coming across the channel in boats and being put in luxury accommodation and it's really really

pissing people off and that isn't hard to understand, is it? No, not at all, Isabelle Oakeshott. We're loving you on this Monday morning. Can I ask you out? Where are we going, Jezza? What are you doing on Saturday, the 15th of November? I'm sorry, going out with granddad. Sorry. You, I don't mind being a granddad. What's wrong with a bit of granddad bashing? I think, listen, she is a grandma. Listen, what are you doing on Saturday the 15th of November?

Oh, you've got your show. I've heard about this. Is it? I bet it's going to be a sellout. So it's the Shepherds Bush Empire, ladies and gentlemen. Jez and Mike's World of Common Sense. Mike Graham and Jeremy Carl, one night only, Saturday the 15th.

at the Shepherd's Bush Empire. There are just a few tickets left, and I mean this, Ticketmaster via the app or Ticketmaster.com. I am going to tell you later who the special guests are going to be. There are going to be some massive surprises. I could point out...

That's why Mike Graham's in America, trying to get... Well, anyway, that's another story. I can't get... I'll give you a freebie, though, Isabel. I'm not giving out any free tickets, but I'm going to give you one if you'd like to come along. Can I make a prediction? This is not going to be one night only. I think this is going to be quite a run of events. I'm slightly worried, though, but as a grandad, do you think I'll get through more than one?

That is an issue. I think you need to start getting your fitness up. You know, these days you need to work harder for the same results. Work harder? Me? Get fit. Now I'm having a bacon sandwich. Listen, I love having you on. We thank you so much indeed. I'll never call Angela Rayner a grandmother again. Yeah, I will.

We're delighted to say good morning to Karen McIver, Branch Secretary of the Epping Forest Reform UK Party. Karen, good morning. Good morning, Jeremy. I struggle with what happened. I wasn't on air on Friday. I'm sure you do. Thank you, Keir Starmer. After court case victory, over the weekend, it transpires that the judge, Mr Bean, it's quite interesting, has links to the Fabian Society, which is a socialist organisation, and happens to be mates in some ways with Lord Herma, the attorney.

So if you're me and you're reading that, you're thinking this was always a shoo-in for Starmer and his left-wing cronies, wasn't it? But what does that say about your people, the local people of Epping? Well, they don't care about us for a start, clearly, and it really, really shows.

It's getting very, very worrying what we're all experiencing at the moment. And I speak for many people. Obviously, I'm here today to speak about my community. But across the country, I think everybody is very, very concerned and scared. And people feel that...

Our country's gone to part. Our voices aren't being heard. And all along, the message that we're actually protesting for in Epping, the very early message and the most important message is this beautiful family that's been affected by these alleged... sorts and and that seems to be getting lost they don't care about that they don't care about us um last night we had uh the protest and i was at the protest and there was a very different feel in the air germany it's very very concerning and and

I think lots of independent media outlets were showing what happened. The police last night, I have to say, it's been a bit up and down with the police. The first few weeks it was awful and then it actually settled down and the police, I feel, did quite a good job. Last night was a very different vibe.

it was very very concerning they put all these all these notices on us and as normal people we don't understand what they are or what they really mean it's not really explained so when they say this section notice that section notice we don't really understand what that is and then we we did our usual

marched up to the council offices and and what we experienced at the council offices last night was very very concerning um and and and um you know what somebody one of our our mums was arrested and what i don't understand as a mother myself fully protesting which we were all doing, is she was arrested in such a dramatic way, Jeremy, and in front of all of the protesters and the perception that it gave across the world because of the media coverage.

was that the flag was put up. It was taken down by the police. Sarah was then arrested, quite roughly, from what I saw. And it just gives the wrong impression and all the good work we've been trying to do.

to do to to you know keep things peacefully and and i i say a thousand times you know peacefully protest peacefully protest that was all sort of washed up last night jeremy and i i it was a different police force that were looking after us i understand it's a police force that are in special measures

And it really showed. It really showed last night. They were not engaging with the people. It was rough boy bully tactics. That's how we felt as mothers. And, you know, I walked along the high street to the council offices with a lady with a double buggy.

with twins in and a gentleman with two dogs in a buggy. We were so peaceful. We were walking. That blew up last night and it didn't need to happen. And I really want everybody to know that we are peacefully protesting. We've said that from the start. But we need to be heard, Jeremy. We're not being heard across the country. Certainly. Let me say this to you.

Take a breath. You certainly are being heard. And I'm not just talking about here. If you read the national press, as we do every day, and you see away from the mainstream media who don't want, of course, to point this out. What really concerns me apart from a government that goes against its own people is...

the perception in this country, because everybody quite rightly believes in free speech, that if you take to the streets, you're far right or you're far left. This started in Epping with mothers concerned about the alleged... I cannot fathom how difficult that is as a parent. I cannot fathom how politicians want to go against... And let's be perfectly honest, right? When this stuff happens...

And it happens on the left. I hear it every day and they jump on the latest thing to bitch about. There'll be people who are unsavoury on the right jumping on this. This started as a local community saying to the government, saying to the government, this is not acceptable.

looking to its government, for Christ's sake, to support those people locally, and they have been let down. And I want to repeat what you said. Nobody, not on talk, not on the sun, not you, not anywhere, is saying, you know, that you don't condone anything.

But the frustration that you feel, the feeling of being let down is palpable and it's real. And this is absolutely on the doorstep of the prime minister of this country. And I don't think he either does know how to listen, either doesn't want to listen. or hasn't got a bloody clue how to deal with it. But it ain't going away. It's not going away.

No, we are scared, Jeremy, let me tell you. We are scared. I feel last night, why was that done so dramatically? I feel like it was done on purpose. This is how I generally feel, to frighten us, to try and stop us protesting. frighten us because we've done this for a long time now and we will continue to peacefully protest it won't frighten us but what's really scary is that our own government is going against us

I have to finish, but you know me and you know this station. We are completely with the people of Epping. We are completely with the people. Who? And I'm not with... You said people make... They go, oh, well, you support... No, not with anybody far right or far left. I'm with mothers and families saying I want to protect my kids. I'm also with all the hard-working Brits who have contacted us this morning who are on their way to work to pay...

simply to feather the nest of illegal migrants who... And you heard it with Bridget Philipson earlier on. She said, we have a priority to people coming here from terrible regimes. France is not a terrible regime. having the mickey taken. And when it affects British people, it becomes even more important. Karen, remember one thing. We're with you. Thank you very much indeed for being on Morning Glory. The Deputy Leader of Reform UK.

Friend of the church. Richard Tyce, no blue... What's happened to the... Good morning. You had it on. You've moved it. You are misinformed.

Look me, if you want the British public to believe you, Tice, look me full square in the face and say, well, I didn't look... I'm not having you taking the mickey about my tie colours first thing in the morning. But, I mean, you're a successful man and you've only got one tie. We've got serious business to discuss, Jeremy. We need to get on with it. Oh, he's...

See what I mean? When you get a politician on the back foot, that's what they do. We've got to get to work. Where do you want to start with? Should we start with our Ange? I mean, it is extraordinary, isn't it? All the newspapers across the weekend. My favourite on the front of the Daily Mail today, which will fuel reform.

is Labour's civil war fuelling Rainer Sleaze crisis. We found out last week that the woman, who is a grandmother, did start in a council house in Stockport, now has an £800,000 duplex apartment. I don't know what duplex means. In Hove.

It cost £800,000. There have been questions about where did you get the deposit? What about the stamp duty? Are you playing the game to make sure you don't pay council tax or stamp duty on your three properties? Over the weekend it transpires that the ex-boyfriend, the ginger one that might have been doing...

the boat i've no idea he he worked for a company that got a big contract from maybe her department or the government that that this lady who purports to be a woman of the people used a wealth management company today the mail are saying Labour's in Meltdown.

She's after knifing people. People are after knifing her because, in fact, even the Labour Party has woken up, Mr Tice, to the belief that Starmer's no good for them and the whole thing's falling down. They've woken up to that. I wonder where, when Angela... wakes up every morning, does she know which of her three homes she's in? Because she tells her constituents that her main residence is in Manchester, as well as telling the council authorities in Manchester. She tells...

The HMRC and the tax authorities that Brighton is her main residence. Yes. And then also in terms of doing her job during the week, she says that London is her main residence. So which is it? Absolutely. It's pretty extraordinary. Anyway, look, in reality. The country's in a terrible state and everybody, I mean, look at their poll rating down at 20%. The last poll that we have just seen, people have had enough. And that's before you get on to...

the migrant crisis, the judges, Mr Bean. You couldn't make it up, could you? You actually couldn't make it up. The reason I wanted to start with Rainer is... During the last election, there made a massive thing, this Labour Party, about, you know, Groff. Well, they've destroyed all that, but more than that, for the working man and woman. And yet here we have perhaps the...

Obvious example of the darling of the unions, a woman, a single mum from the North who'd made good, and I used to think that. And that's good. It's good to be aspirational. It's good to make money. Of course, with her nose in the bleeding trough. She called the Tory scum as... bad if not worse than all of those put together. And that, for me, to any Labour voters, is an abdication of what they said they believed in. It's all lies. Well, it's just the hypocrisy that we have seen from...

Keir Starmer to others in the Labour Party and the Deputy Prime Minister, she's at it as well. And let's be, we have to be clear that what she's done has not broken the law. But in her position, morally, it's pretty extraordinary to say to three different parts of government, this different home. One of three is my main residence for this part of my job. It just doesn't. Morally, it's in defence. When I left the show on Friday...

We were waiting for that judgment on the Epping Hotel fiasco. And I actually had somebody on from Epping this morning. And for me, I just want to make this point because it's really easy, isn't it, to go, oh, these are all far-right thugs. No, this started with mothers saying, we're concerned about...

teenage daughters there's a migrant hotel next door there's an alleged assault that's in court so we have to be really careful and this has just gone through the roof and and and we we have a situation now right where a government in this country can quite conceivably be accused of going against the wishes and safety of local indigenous people.

and preferring the rights of migrants. I want to play you, I hate this person, but there you go. I want to play you Bridget Phillipson. She was on the show you were on yesterday. This is her on where she and her government place asylum seekers against Brits. have a watch it is about a balance of rights when people come to this country and claim asylum we have a responsibility as a government

to assess their cases and to process them. For those who have got a clear right to be here, for those who have evidenced what they are facing in terms of persecution, refugees. then that will be decided. Where they don't, then we will take action to remove people from the country. So we do have a responsibility to process those cases.

And the responsibility to those asylum seekers is more important than the responsibility to those who live locally. Our responsibility to those who live locally is also important as well. Also, an afterthought. People are furious. I mean, it was a shocking misstep. And Trevor Phillips asked the right question. But she had to say what she said because the government lawyers instructed by the Home Secretary part of their case to the...

the learned judges led by Mr Bean. Learned? Learned judges led by Mr Bean was that actually the rights of the migrants. took preference, outweighed the rights of local people. That was literally what the case... was made up of. Now, we're talking about Mr Bean. This is Lord Justice Bean who delivered Friday's landmark Court of Appeal judgment. Transpires have done a bit of digging and an eminent case he has decided to report him to the judicial board, the judicial contact investigations.

office because it transpires that Mr. Payne was chairman of the Socialist Fabian Society between 89 and 90, is best buddies with that disgrace of an Attorney General, Lord Hermer, who was behind the Lucy Connolly incarceration. And yet, so you sit here.

and you think we did this on the on the radio all last week and we're all waiting for this judgment thinking you're not going to you're surely not going to go against the people of this country and he must have been sat in number 10 down his street kirsten and knowing it was a rat because one of his left-wing buddies human rights lawyers, was going to give him the answers he wanted. What does it message that send to the people, Richard?

It sends a message that this government is on the side of people who come here illegally. Criminality, they're not on the side of British citizens. And in a sense, because the Home Office won't adopt... reform's excellent detain and deportation plan and detain people in remote detention centres away from residents.

That's what they should do. If they do that, then you can remove people immediately from the hotels. But because they won't do that, they're left with no choice but to leave the hotels full. And this is a government that has pretended they want to empty the hotels and then instructs expensive lawyers and barristers. to say, no, we want to keep the hotels full, please? For me, it's really easy to get embroiled in the arguments, but you say it correctly. They shouldn't be here.

They shouldn't be in hotels. They shouldn't be in houses. They should have been stopped from coming here. They should have been processed and not allowed to set foot. And I watched Nigel last week. I was mostly concerned that some police were going to arrive and nick the flag.

the biggest flag I've ever seen in the United Kingdom. Truth of the matter is, you can read the room or you can't read the room. The people of this country, genuinely I believe this, are not going to be fed this BS anymore.

I think it's because their lives are so affected by what's happening. I think that in the past when we were better off, mate, I think that we turned a blind eye. But now, many calls this morning. I've been up since 4.30, Jez. I'll do a 12-hour day. Why am I bothering? I've never a handout. my taxes I've never broken the law and I look at it he goes this guy this morning broke my heart and he why should I why don't I just stay in bed

And more and more people, regrettably, are making that lifestyle choice. And our welfare system allows that to happen. It's completely and utterly broken. And the welfare bills are going through wherever you look. The cost of the illegal asylum seekers is billions of pounds. The cost of welfare, that lifestyle choice to sit on your backside, is billions and billions of pounds. It was never a choice when I was at school.

When we took over councils just three and a half months ago, since then, we've been doing what we said we would do, reform at work, digging in. And we've looked down the back of the sofa where no one's looked before. We've looked into some cupboards, unlocked the cupboards. And I've discovered, and it's in the Telegraph today, Jeremy, that guess what? I've found between six and eight percent. of all annual council expenditure in all our councils every single year.

available to be saved. 6 to 8 percent? 6 to 8 percent. That's between a billion and a billion and a half every year. What's that being spent on right now? At the moment none of us like overpaying. for a job to be done. Even worse is overpaying for a job to be done badly. But I've discovered both. Would you pay five times the going rate for a bad job, Jeremy?

No. Of course not. So I've discovered that, and it's a pretty sort of unsexy thing, the local government pension scheme. Billions and billions of pounds. Well, guess what? The rich city investment managers are being vastly overpaid huge fees to do...

a bad job. They're underperforming the standard average benchmark index that anybody sensible would use and yet no one's looked there before and why have they why have they not looked there help me out why would not common sense prevail either because they're incompetent yep or it's the vested interests

So a nice cosy gravy chain culture has emerged. We can all scratch each other's back. We can all look after each other, take out a load of fat fees from the advisors and the consultants and the lawyers. And no one cares about the performance. No one's going to hold us to account because they'll always listen.

to the advisors. Well, I tell you what, Jeremy, we are calling it out. I've got a press conference at 11 o'clock. I'm exposing this scandal. It's an absolute outrage. That's just 13 councils. Multiply this across the whole of England and Wales, local government pension schemes. You're talking between nine and 11.

billion pounds every single year. And that'd be enough to pay the doctors, wouldn't it? Well, actually, what it would be enough to do is create a world-leading social care provision. So you're saying that reform could cut council tax bills? You could either cut the bills or you could invest in the best social care system in the world. That's a choice.

for the elected councillors, of course. But it's nice to have a choice, isn't it? It's a bit like making a profit. It means you've got options. But reform has always stuck its neck on the line and said that it's run by people who have run businesses and have experiences. And we know from Labour that they've been to think tanks.

and university and gone on marches and whatever. And it makes you wonder, doesn't it? And the past. You think about the Tories for 14 years. Nobody would make the sensible judgment to go, it's like the wind farm things last week. I didn't even know this till last week. We've gone on and on about we can't make enough wind and then we have to...

import it and that costs money oh shock horror i discover if it wins if it blows too much and we make too much we can't afford to we have no way of storing it and then and then it costs to turn that it's farcical you do realize it's a sort of

200-plus-year-old technology, windmills, and we've actually moved away from that. Windy Miller? I mean, it's ridiculous. Remember Windy Miller? Yeah, the whole thing is bonkers. I've been talking about it for three years. I was one of the first to raise it, and...

It's more waste. So press conference at 11. Press conference at 11. We're going to talk about that. Now answer this in the mirror before I send some questions to you from the people. I'll defeat Farah's scare tactics. This is Sakhir this morning. Now...

I just want to put this to you because I know you've got a sense of humour. You're also very switched on. We are at this moment infiltrated by illegal migrants. Financially, we're about, I should think, to go to Kapanen to the IMF because we're skint. There's sort of social unrest to a degree.

There's crime everywhere. There's a lack of police. The whole thing seems to be a disaster. Talk about crime. I've even got a device on my phone. Well, it's not a device, is it? It's a handle. Well, it's a handle to stop it being nicked. Isabel bought you that, didn't she? No, I bought it myself, actually. Why have you bought...

Why is that? That's awful. Because obviously I'm an environmentalist. I'm a conservationist. So you don't believe in drill, baby, drill? I do believe in that. Sod, friends of the earth. I'm not into all that. You can do both. Yes, I do. Oh, very, very. You've thrown me off trait now.

was I going to ask him? Oh my God, that's so embarrassing. That's really embarrassing. The world's greatest presenter being thrown off by... You've absolutely ruined what I was going to say about the scare tactics. Oh, this is really embarrassing. Yeah, because the scare tactics of the Prime Minister who thinks... he can outweigh Nigel Farage.

And the basis that all this is going on, all of this is going on, this weekend, you would think, would you not, that he would sit in 10 Downing Street and go, I've got to get the people back on side. He released this on TikTok. Now, I want you to take it in very... This is the Prime Minister of the United...

Kingdom's response to what's going on play. Before your wedding day everyone says it's going to be the best day of your life and yeah you think well I'm not sure what about when Arsenal won the double. He's the tallest man! I mean, I mean, apart from the fact that that might mean the divorce court, which could be happening, whether that's happening or not. I'm not saying a word.

Honestly, mate, seriously, what does that look like to people, again, in their cars, in a traffic jam, off to work, struggling to make ends meet? It's an absolute joke. It just proves that he's completely and utterly... out of touch with the problems, the challenges that ordinary folk up and down the country who set their alarm clock and go to work are facing and the anger that people feel.

When I talk to people in sort of central London about the fury in my constituency, Boston Skegness, amongst residents who stopped me on the street, they are raging. Absolutely. enraged by what is going on. And that sort of nonsense from the Prime Minister infuriates people even more. Although actually, Mike last week has been playing videos of the Prime Minister saying he's going to...

He's going to stop the boats and if you come here, you won't be able to stay here. And people know that it's just complete and utter nonsense. And he says one thing. but the reality is completely different. Now, 20 past day, this question, and I've asked you this before on Drive, I'm going to ask you now.

Loads of people are listening to what reform are offering because I think they're saying they're listening to the room and they've got the vibe. But the one thing that we hear about the whole time is that the governments are hamstrung. Governments are hamstrung because the blob run it and it doesn't matter what your political persuasion, when you get into...

power. The fact is, it's the machinations of Whitehall mean you can't do a job. Question, Anne Mitchell, for Richard. If you get in, are you going to act like the other two parties once in power? Because you won't be able to get rid of the blob who will stand in your way. Convince us, Cezanne, that...

reform can do something about the blob, which everybody says is holding this country back? I think it's a great question. It's a great question. And, Anne, listen to the press conference at 11 o'clock, because we're getting experience of the blob in the councils. But the good news is that, in a sense... gives us the lessons and the opportunity to work out how we deal with them. And we are already dealing with them, finding ways to overcome them.

And that is essentially a very important part of the learning curve. Is it about the will of a politician? Is it about... Because, you know, if you were me, you'd go, right, Starmer's got a 180-seat majority, I'm going to go in. But he hasn't got the will to do anything about the blob because he's more... But you're going to have the will if you're elected. A, we've got the will. B, we've got the experience because we've been around the block. We know where to look.

We're using the time currently. You heard from our press conference last week about the deportations. We will be drawing up the draft legislation in the run-up to the next election. Labour said that, didn't they? No, they didn't, actually. They didn't. say they were drawing up the draft legislation using private sector barristers and lawyers. We're not going to rely on the civil service lawyers taking months and months and months. That's what we've got to do. And then we can hit the ground.

properly, hard and fast. And we will have to because the sad reality is that this country is running out of money fast. You look at the cost of government borrowing the 30 year bond yield. at 25 to 30-year highs. We have serious financial problems. And Rachel Reeves and Starmer, I mean... They say they inherited a £22 billion black hole. Well, let me tell you, they've now dug that into a £50 billion.

black volcano. And we're all sinking in it. I could have saved 16 billion a minute and not given away the Chagos Islands. We're identifying huge savings. This show has to ask questions that are difficult and easy. Gavin in Birmingham is a floating voter. This is important. If Richard Tyson reform cares so much about...

The reason it won't, Gavin, is because we will... focus people on working and we will make it much much harder to claim welfare but we do also have a demographic demographic crisis a low birth rate we actually need more british born citizens so that we reduce the demands to have immigration and if we want to do that then we've got to encourage more more children to be born and that's the right thing to do but alongside that

You want to make it easy for people to work. You want to make work pay and you want to make it hard. Make work pay. Yeah, you want to make it hard for people to claim welfare. And if we achieve that, I'm not saying it's easy, Gavin, but that's the objective. And we will work incredibly hard to get that done, to motivate people to go to work. And guess what? Take some risk. Before the news, farmers are about to have their second poor year with crops, the dreaded tractor tax against...

inheritance that Starmer went to the NUJ and NUF and said I won't do it and then did. Really, a few irate farmers on. What's Reform's position on the inheritance tax? We've always said that we would scrap all inheritance tax, which of course includes the family farms tax. All inheritance tax is a form of grief tax. We've all been through it. Those who've been lucky enough where parents or grandparents have succeeded and worked hard and saved.

And the thing is, what it does is act as a major demotivator. And I know farmers who stopped investing. Just last weekend, I was at a farm dealership in my constituency. Two other dealerships in the local area have already given up. shut the doors because farmers are not spending how would reform help farmers

Well, the first thing to do is to scrap the family farms tax. And the second thing to do is to scrap ridiculous solar farms gobbling up hundreds of square miles of agricultural... food producing farmland, and we've got to increase food security by growing more.

in the UK. I've never understood why anybody in the Labour Party hasn't gone, oh, sorry, we're actually screwing the very people that create our foodstuff. Because don't you realise how much it's going to cost to import that stuff from another country? I've never got that. If you reduce the cost of energy by using...

own oil and gas then you reduce the cost of all the inputs the fuels the cost of fertilizer go that goes down and everything else all of those different components help farmers and as well as helping many other businesses um this will be something uh

Anonymous from Newcastle. I'm not going to say that because I don't understand their name. A lot of criticism about reform in the last election was that it was a new party. There were one or two candidates who didn't turn out to be what you thought. This one says, I'd like to ask Richard Tyus, is reform going to vet in different ways potential MPs?

corruption problems, etc, etc. How are you going to do that? Yeah, we will keep improving the vetting procedures, of course. Look, the reality is, when you've got... 600, 1,000, 2,000 candidates. I mean, at the next May elections, we're going to have give or take over 4,000 candidates. In any big entity or organisation, you're going to find someone who turns out...

to do something or say something daft at the weekend when they are just a bit overexcited or whatever. It happens. It's how you deal with it rapidly and promptly afterwards. I remember a slightly famous call. case for myself last year and some months after it was finished i was sat with my rather high and successful barrister and i was asking he'd been at the labour party conference and i said what are you doing there he said dear boy defamation i spent my entire life dealing with tourism

Labour candidates. The Tory party like rent boys and cocaine and Labour like money. Just being completely honest. I believe this country is ready for politicians to say, listen, I'm not the Archangel Gabriel. I've been divorced. I've lost money. I've done this.

I think people are so hacked off. They don't want pretense. They want honesty. Do you know what I mean? I'm not saying that we want wrong-uns, but it's okay. Those are the experiences of real life. People have been around the block. We've all made mistakes. None of us are perfect. But politicians don't...

that usually be honest well I'm admitting it we're not perfect I've always said we'll make mistakes but we'll get a lot more right than we get wrong and when we get it wrong we'll adapt we'll adjust we'll learn from it that's what you do in business that's what you should do if you are running the country and also just remember vetting is a bit like an mot of a car

You pass your MOT one day, but then if a chip hits the windscreen the following day, all of a sudden, if you've got a crack in your windscreen... Buy a new car. You would fail the MOT the subsequent day. Of course you would, yeah. So it's a... It's a sort of moment-in-time thing. I think three people have asked this, so I won't name them. Final question for you.

After Nigel's speech last week about deportations, there was much, oh, my God, these horrendous right-wing people and the press and all those sorts of things. There is a feeling in the country that reforms on a wave. Do you know what's coming the next... four years from the mainstream media, from institutions, from the blob? Are the people at the forefront of reform?

Are their shoulders broad enough, I think people would like to know. Well, firstly, the good news is it's actually less than four years now. Thank God for that! So let's celebrate and be optimistic where we can. It's three and three quarters. Yes, it's going to get quite spicy. It's going to get pretty interesting. And... The Blob are not going to take it lying down. There's no one stronger and tougher and more experienced than Nigel. And we've been around the block.

And what we're seeing, you know, we've got all the scars on our back from Brexit and from being the first people to talk about net stupid zero. So frankly, I just think we're tougher and better than the rest. If you say stupid under Miliband, you could go to prison for being disrespectful. Oh, it winds a month.

Steam comes out of his ears in the House of Commons when I set. It's great fun. Do you say it all the time? Oh, yes. Just to wind him up. He definitely is a very strange human being. Well, the other good news is that I've got into his head. Have you? Yes, I have.

So that's also quite, but amongst all the madness, we must try and smile and laugh. Completely. So a press conference this morning. We appreciate your time. What's it about? It's about, well, it's basically about some of the savings that we've identified having opened the lid.

look behind the sofa, open the cupboard doors in the councils all around the unglamorous world of pensions. Before we go, I know you're in a hurry, but this is brilliant. I'll see you at the conference this weekend because you've got me working this weekend, haven't you? About time.

Oh, the Tice Man. And I'd like your response officially. You haven't seen the story. I'm putting you on the spot. Britain... has welcomed Turkish transgender drag queens on special visas for global talent. The global talent visa permits recipients to stay in the UK for five years, along with their many dependents, and is intended to bring the very best creative detail to...

the country. Applicants must have their claimed artist merit endorsed by the Arts Council before visas are ultimately signed off by the Home Office so you can come and live here for five years if you're a Turkish transgender drag queen. Interesting. Well, maybe, maybe we should celebrate the fact that we haven't got any of that specialisms in this country. Maybe that's not what we want to be breeding. Richard Tice, you're a legend. Thank you very much indeed. Richard Tice. Take a breath.

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Welcome back to Morning Glory. Julia Hartley-Brew are back from 10 o'clock this morning. Ian Collins, you heard there from 1 and Peter Carbell on drive from 4 o'clock getting you home. Good morning to Patrick State. I hope that's right. We thought two Jags Prescott was bad, but now we've got three pads Rainer.

Mike called her last week, the Minister for Housing herself. You said it will come back and bite them on the bum. Well, I wish you would hurry up. That's Tricia. Mark's in Norfolk. Great show. Question. How many of these hundreds of thousands of economic illegal migrants give an asylum?

on our economy. I bet all will be either unemployed or in low-income jobs. So getting some level of benefits as well, such as tax credits, housing benefits. Labour says it wants to reduce the benefits bill, yet each year we seem to import many people.

who do nothing but get support from an already creased British system. I agree. Sandra's in Basingstoke. How many safe countries do these migrants come through before the English Channel is reached? Well, there you are. There's the point. I'm escaping a war-torn country.

There's no bombs there and you've left your family behind. No, no, we need to get to Britain. Why is that? Because I speak English. Right. You're not happy in the tent in France. There's no bomb. No, no, I need to get to Britain. OK. Vaughan's in Shropshire. During the First Gulf War, training camps on Salisbury Plain were set up as...

prisoner of war camps. It's possible to do it again and complement them with a Nightingale hospital type of setup. The military could do it tomorrow. It's the lack of British back... bone from this wet, pathetic government that is preventing anything happen. My grandkids, this is from a scared mum, don't know her name, have to walk to catch their school buses. Starmer's kids get bulletproof Range Rovers and security guards. That says it all.

Starmer's kids. He's got a couple of kids, hasn't he? Yeah, just a couple. Eric, good morning. The government are never going to scrap inheritance tax, even if farmers go out of business. They've already said the illegal migrants are more important and they need money to provide them with a luxury lifestyle. And Eric, you see, is absolutely central to what so many people in this country think.

It's not that they're far right. They're not racist. They're nothing. They're just saying, I've lived my life correctly. I've paid my taxes. I've never had a hand out. And I'm seeing other people, by the way, way in front of me in the queue, and I don't think that's right. 18 minutes to 9 o'clock. A couple of really interesting things about the younger generation. He's going to get me going. Ian Mansfield is the Director of Research and the Head of Education and Science.

at the Policy Exchange. Ian, a very good morning to you. How are you? Good morning. Very good, thank you. What an impressive title that is. Jeremy Carl, idiot. Ian Mansfield, Director of Research and Head of Education and Science at the Policy Exchange. Your parents must be very proud. Well, it's a great job. Well done. This is very frightening. White working class school children are punished more than any other group. What, by teachers or the system?

I mean, I think we're talking about the behavior survey that came out yesterday. I think it's wrong to be racializing this. The big lesson to take away from this is that we have a crisis of behavior in our classrooms. I think if you look at the numbers, we're seeing that only 54 percent.

Only just over half of pupils say that their schools are orderly most days. Fewer than one in three say they felt safe every day at school. And when we look at so-called low-level disruption, you're seeing that 56% percent of pupils are saying that lessons are being disrupted by mobile phones 47 percent by people throwing stuff we did a report at policy exchange a few years ago which said that over seven in ten teachers knew a college

league who had left the profession because of behaviour, which just shows this is exacerbating the teaching crisis in our schools and just massively taking away from the amount that good kids, kids who want to get on, who want to better themselves, are learning.

I have a real problem with this. Now, please bear in mind that I'm a grandad, I'm 60, and I was born in a different era. The poll also revealed that teens are stressed by social media. Now, on the one hand, I'll caveat what I'm going to say by saying that my kids...

had to have mobile phones at 11 because suddenly, and this is how old I am, they get their homework and they get emails marking their homework and it's all done digitally. We used to have it marked and stand up and all that sort of stuff. I believe this generation, I'm sorry to say this...

do not have it as we had it. I think there's an entitled softness about so much of it. I also have great sympathy in this instance with this story about, you know, I mean, you've got Philipson, the idiot, saying that parents must do more to tackle bad behaviour. I don't disagree with that, but if you neuter, if you neuter...

Tutor completely the controls or the authority that any teacher can have. And I never stick up for the teaching profession, but I will. If you raise your voice and say no, you'll probably find yourself in a court ostracised and cancelled because you've dared to say the world's changed, you see, Ian.

in all due respect. I'm not saying you should go to school and be fearful of teachers, but there is a line. I don't think that line's gone. I think it's a bit like, I don't know, it's a bit like footballers. The power's shifted. We went to school, the teachers were in charge. Whether it's mobile phones or...

or I'm sorry, I can't do that homework, I'm anxious and, you know, full of stress, I'll have to have six months off. It just wasn't like that, mate. It just was different. Yeah, absolutely. I think, again...

Just last week, we published a report which looked at the overdiagnosis of certain sort of mental health and neurodivergent conditions amongst young people. And again, you know, we're not saying that people are making it up. And parents, of course, are fighting for the... best for their kids and of course people do feel anxious but what we what we wrote we looked at all the evidence here is that we're overly medicalizing um what's part of just the normal

process of human life. You know, it's normal to feel miserable sometimes as a teenager. It's normal to feel anxious about exams. It doesn't mean that your teachers have to go soft on you. Oh, thank God I'm hearing sense amongst the matter. The exams are going to be hard. I think I can't...

No, no, no, no. Life isn't a bowl of cherries, right? There will be moments when you don't get what you want. You won't succeed. You'll have failure. My old man always taught me that you learn more from failure than you do from success because that reinvigorates you. to crack on and learn from it and be better next time. But we're, I mean, honestly, we live in an environment where we...

Of course we should protect, I get the social media thing, but we should also toughen them up a bit because we're going to end up with a soft, entitled, angst, anxiety-ridden generation that, I mean, you know, let's all work from home. No! Let's go to work and meet other people and broaden our minds. You know what I mean? Absolutely.

I think one of the other things is that when you get this, it actually, it actually have this huge number of people flooding the system. And it takes away the support from the small, much smaller number of kids who actually do have genuine needs. You know, you're severely autistic kids, your child with Down syndrome.

your blind child, these are the people who we should be putting resources into. But isn't that actually symptomatic of where we are as a society, where we've spent so long, it seems, making excuses for and caring for almost everybody, that in the end...

what happens is the genuine people, Ian, the people who need the support, be that on benefits, be it in education, I can think of several examples, are missing out because the priority has gone the other way. It's wrong, the priority, right? And you've seen a huge number of people going...

straight from education on to out-of-work benefits and that number has sort of tripled over the last few years and it's it's actually terrible it's terrible for us as the taxpayer because our money is going towards this but it's terrible for those people as well because we're writing off their life

We're writing them off. They could make something of their lives, but they're being told by the system, they're being encouraged down this route of hopelessness and despair. And, you know, no one really wants to be on benefits their whole lives, but at the time they feel it's... It's easiest for them. I'm a bit old-fashioned because when I went to...

When you come out, you either went to work or you went to college or university. I'm sorry, a lot of people find this offensive, but it's not. I never saw benefits as a career choice. I saw it as a safety net that I was happy to pay into to help people who can't help themselves.

for people who can't be arsed or a system that can't change to white people's backsides. Not at all, not in a million years. I think that's absolutely the right way. I think one further sign that the behaviour crisis has got so bad is that...

in a sort of in a rare good mood the education secretary has brought back tom bennett who is the behavior who was appointed under the tories and we were told a few months ago that he was no longer in position but was welcome to reapply you know we all know what that means um in general

rule but actually yesterday it was announced he'd been brought back and i think that shows that even even bridget phillipson has realized that things have got so bad we need to be we need to be cracking down if she's if she's realized anything sane then than we are really in a hole. Really good to have you on Ian. Really appreciate your time this morning. Ian Mansfield, Director of Research and Head of Education and Science at the Policy Exchange.

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