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common sense. This is Tor. Very good morning to you. Welcome to the 1st of October. What is it they say? A pinch, a punch, the first of the month. Very good morning to you. Great to be with you, Mike.

crossed some kind of Rubicon yesterday in the world of politics. You've covered it for a long time. I have, not in quite as much depth as you. But I don't think I've ever seen anything like a speech like that. in any party political situation? No, and I think it's a high-risk strategy that is probably going to, in fact, I know it's probably going to backfire. Almost certainly. If you, you know...

Labour needs, Keir Starmer needs those voters who have left Labour from the last election to go and vote for reform because they're frustrated at the fact that he hasn't done what he said he'd do, whether it's smash the gangs or fix the broken economy or whatever. He needs them to come back to...

Labour now if you turn around and you say that those people in your speech by inference are racist for supporting reform they're not going to like you if you don't like the voters that you need to vote for you they're not going to suddenly like you back and that's the That's fundamentally the danger now for Keir Starmer. Yes, that was a speech that went down well at the Labour Party conference in Liverpool. The delegates liked it. They'll give him a stay of execution.

Fine. But to the country, and particularly to those voters, those disaffected voters who have turned towards Nigel Farage and the Reform UK... To suddenly turn around and say they're racist or they don't believe in this country when they're the ones who are suffering or finding life really difficult. Exactly right.

To suddenly expect them to come back. And to talk about fairness in the way that he talked about it, which was one-directional, only, you know, not multi-directional, because fairness goes both ways. You know, how fair is it for people to find that they've been on a housing waiting list for many, many years, only to get leapfrogged over?

by somebody from Somalia because he's come here in the last two weeks on a boat. You know, that's what I call fairness and unfairness. You know, he doesn't address any of that. And also, it shows the paucity of ideas in places like Downing Street where... The country's ruling party thinks the best thing they can do is appeal to the people in the room, i.e. at Labour Party conference, ignoring the people outside of that, which is the majority of people in the country.

But the paucity of ideas, but also the desperation of Keir Starmer's position politically. You know, he came into this conference having lost Ash Lorraine and Lord Mandelson and one of his strategies, two of his strategies, I should say, key people within his number 10 operation. And there was a... of desperation that he just had to get through this conference, hold it together. I think, you know, the prevailing view is that he has done that.

For now. But there are far bigger obstacles coming up. You can't ignore the budget, which I think is going to be very difficult for the Chancellor and for Keir Starmer. We're already talking about, you know, Jack Elstam's got the exclusive in the sun. I see about...

Rachel Reeves going to lift the two-child benefit cap. They can't afford to do it. Where is the money going to come from? They're already saying this is going to lift more people out of poverty. Well, only if you give them more taxpayers money, which they don't have to give.

So that's going to add, you know, to lift that cap, it costs £3.5 billion a year. We start coming on top of the £40 billion worth of tax rises. And on top of the £5 billion that they couldn't remove for the welfare benefits claim before. Dan Hodges, again, a man who's been... charting Starmer's demise with great skill he says a good speech but Starmer is still doomed and this is how the end will come and he reckons the run into Starmer's removal will be marked by a series of waypoints first

Lucy Powell will be crowned deputy leader, which I think we all expect to happen, because she's well ahead of Bridget Phillipson, who has tried to be the sort of insider job. Well, she's the insider. Yeah. Rachel Reeves will deliver her budget, surrendering in similar fashion the final slender...

the threads of the government's fiscal and political credibility. Soon after that, Morgan Wick-Sweeney will be announced as stepping down as a senior aide, as chief of staff. And then the final reckoning, if it goes that far, is, of course, the May elections, where he'll get slaughtered. Nigel Farage is bowing.

to teach him a lesson in those. And I've never seen Nigel Farage quite so angry as he was yesterday because it was really, frankly, a disgraceful attack, personal attack, on Nigel Farage as a man. Yes, it was, but I think also...

and I saw that, you know, I've seen the quotes from Nigel Farage. I think there's something that he, there's an opportunity in this speech for Nigel Farage. Oh, totally. And what I think is that opportunity, and firstly, there were two points to, you know... It was...

quite Trumpian, his response. I mean, it was like, you know, we're talking about... Well, if you're going to call him Trumpian, you might... No, I'm not saying it's an insult. I'm not saying it's an insult. No, no, but hang on. But don't forget that this is exactly what Biden did. You know, Salma made a Biden-esque speech. Absolutely.

calling them deplorables and all that stuff that Hillary Clinton did. What I'm saying is that if he's borrowing from Trump, then Starmer's borrowing from Biden. Just so you're clear and your listeners are clear, I'm not saying that as an insult. No, I'm not saying that either. No, listen, to be called Trumpian is not an insult. I don't mean that. I just mean that, you know...

He is being like Donald Trump in answering what is a similar accusation that the Democrats made against Trump back in 2020. Yeah, absolutely. I think that's completely correct. The other thing I think... Farage is doing, and we've heard this continually from the Reform UK leader, is to talk up Jeremy Corbyn. And what I think that will do is it will push... Farage into the centre and I think it will mean that many voters who aren't yet convinced by Nigel Farage will actually start to see him.

as the safe go-to option. He's going to be the new Conservative Party, and this is what their strategy has been all along. They haven't had to say it, but it's been pretty obvious for anyone to see what they're doing. Many of their supporters haven't liked the fact that they brought some Tories in, some former Tories.

Danny Kruger's in there, Nadine Dorries is in there, some reform voters. But what he's doing by doing that is setting himself away from the likes of Advanced UK and the people like Rupert Lowe and Ben Habib and Tommy Robinson and all of that. over there in the extremist area which is as far as he's concerned and he's occupying the middle ground so he's kind of he's not just

usurping the Conservative votes. He's actually becoming the new Conservative Party. That's what I think. Yeah, I think you're right. Starmer will be, and I think Starmer's speech plays into this, will be... the figure on the left, and as we saw yesterday, there's pressure from Farage, but there's also huge amounts of pressure on Keir Starmer from the left, especially around the issue of Palestine, Jeremy Corbyn, your party. Well, look what he's done in the past month alone.

To make himself move even further away from the centre ground. And we'll see that, particularly with the approach to the public finances and tax rises that are going to hit people, many of your listeners. And I think that Trump, sorry, Farage becomes...

the safe go-to option in the same way that Boris Johnson came in in 2019 when everybody was squabbling about Brexit and the country was just tearing their hair out like when are we going to get this done and says don't worry I'll sort it and I remember going up see some friends in Leicestershire who had nothing to do with politics. They're just not involved.

And they were big Remain voters. And I said, who are you voting for? And they said, we're voting for Boris Johnson because we just want to leave the European Union. We're done. We're fed up with this. We are the, you know, he became the safe go-to option. And I think Farage is fast becoming.

that in a way that... Well, Starmer's handing it to him on a plate. I mean, any decent political strategist will say, you don't call people racist, you don't attack people, even if you think they're too right-wing for the country to...

stomach which i don't think obviously they are um you don't give them that gift you don't hand them that power because now they've got the power let's have a look at some of the clips for those of you who didn't see them yesterday uh here's keir starmer on talking about how he opposes racism Everyone seen. Everyone valued. Wealth creation in every single community. Working people in control of their public services. The mindless bureaucracy that chokes enterprise removed.

So we can build and keep building. Clean British energy powering our homes. Technology harnessed to drive us forward. Our flags flying proudly as we celebrate difference. and oppose racism. When he says our flags, he makes it sound like somehow the Union Jack is a Labour flag. Obviously, Yvette Cooper brought down the whole supply from her house to give to everybody in the front row to wave. I mean, it was pathetic, wasn't it?

This idea that this is a party, everybody knows what they really think. We know what Emily Thornby thinks about the flag. We know what David Lammy thinks about Britain and about the empire and about reparations. We know what they really think. The fact that they're trying to make out that they're really patriotic now because they've got...

got a flag. They fundamentally misunderstand patriotism. Patriotism is about flying a flag. It's about actually being proud to be British, right? And to try and make that into an argument about, you know, reformers saying certain people aren't British. That's not the point. That's all.

You know, it wasn't so long ago when, you know, Labour conferences under the leadership of Jeremy Corbyn, the British flag wasn't, you couldn't find one for love or money. No. I mean, they're all Palestinian flags. Well, exactly. Yeah, or Irish flags or something, you know, absolutely ridiculous. Here's Starmer talking about Nigel. We can all see these snake oil merchants on the right, on the left, but be in No Doubt Conference. None of them have any interest in national renewal.

Because decline is good for their business. I mean, think about it. When was the last time that you heard Nigel Farage say anything positive about Britain's future? He can't. He doesn't like Britain. He doesn't believe in Britain. He wants you to doubt it just as much as he does. Again, they've been working on this one probably for a while in the backdoor corridors of power. But what does he mean Nigel Farage doesn't like Britain? What sort of ridiculous statement is that?

It's nonsensical. Nigel Farage has been fighting for Britain to have its independent status for decades. He went to the European Parliament. He was elected several times to run the Brexit party, to get Brexit done. If it wasn't for him...

we would still be in the European Union, right? How can you make an accusation like that? You might dislike Nigel Price for a lot of reasons, but you don't say he doesn't like Britain. It's ridiculous. And I also agree with that, but he also talks about this national renewal. What does that even mean? What does it mean? It's sort of a word soup. It means nothing.

Like everything Starmer touches, it means absolutely nothing. And here he is being pictured with his wife. What's his wife doing in every picture that he's at? Wearing sunglasses like some kind of woman walking around like his carer. Make sure wherever you are you get pictures taken with your wife. wife. What's all that about?

Come on, you can't be speechless on that one. It's too early for that. I'll show you this picture first. How about this? This is great, right? Now, you can see here, Lord Ali, who's still not a million miles away from the heart of government, he's wearing the same shoes as Keir Starmer.

They're wearing what look like Adidas. I'm not an expert on Adidas. They are Adidas, yeah. But I don't know. I mean, you know, some people will tell you exactly what model they are. They're blue with three white stripes. Why are they wearing the same shoes and the same basic outfit? It's a simple question. You know? What is that all about? It can't be coincidence. And what can only be described as a very good summation of Keir Starmer's premiership. He's with a dog there, but it's not his.

He's got a dog on a lead that belongs to somebody else. And that pretty much sums up Keir Stummer. He's wearing somebody else's shoes, somebody else's trousers, somebody else's jacket, and he's got somebody else's dog. What does he stand for? Absolutely nothing.

I think that's fair. Yeah, yeah. I don't know how you end up going, a Labour Party leader or a Labour Prime Minister ends up going to their party conference and ends up dog-sitting. That's difficult to explain. It's difficult to explain why he's got the same trainers.

as the man, of course. That's really, that's really weird. Isn't it? Well, they got a job lot or something and Lord Ali turns up the back of number 10 in an articulated lorry and goes, right, here we go, lads. He's like this little old Del boy. I've got 50 pairs of Adidas. Who wants to?

the market so yeah they're here all right wes you want some i've got them in red as well if you want rodney where's the red ones um yeah they're not even that they just look a bit naff don't they don't yeah it's just very weird um because because of course lord alley but look

We still don't know, by the way, why Lord Ali had a pass to Downing Street. And you wonder whether he's still got some kind of pass into Downing Street because the media have sort of given up on investigating that. So, yeah, he's still got...

I'm not sure... Well, I think he had to give back his... He did. He had to give back the AAA pass. He did. This was going back more than a year now. But you know as well as I do that somebody could slip him another one and go, here's another pass. Yeah, he could do. And, of course, that pass is like to...

all of the political meetings. I mean, it's a hugely influential past. But it does, I think, if there's a serious point, like, it's either, like, an extraordinary coincidence that they've got the same trainers or there is a... You know, the man still wields influence. Of course he does. He's still there, isn't he? Well, he's been there since the days of Tony Blair. Don't forget, this is a guy who flew to Syria, right, on behalf of the government to have conversations with Bashar al-Assad.

about what to do about bombing Syria. He also went to Baghdad. during the aftermath of the Iraq war, to have conversations with the sitting ruling party to see how they could transition into democracy. This guy's been at the heart of everything that Labour have done. Since about 2004. Yeah, yeah. He's not going anywhere. He's still there, and he's still at the Labour Party conference where this picture was taken, and of course with Keir Starmer and...

Lady Starmer and the dog. I couldn't even see the dogs. Did the dog have a name? No, apparently it was a passerby who kind of gave him the dog for a picture. I mean, who knows? I mean, a couple of the other papers have got how that happened. It's just all a bit odd. A bit weird. You know? You know why? Yeah. He's...

Starmer, I think, is Sister Dan Hodges' point. I think they're talking about the end of Starmer. They're just talking about when now. It's when. And they've just got to find somebody. And they don't have somebody at the moment. You have to remember, of course, that Starmer can...

Unlike with the Conservative Party where you have the leadership challenge and then you have a race between whoever wants to race to be the next leader. Starmer can stand in a race. Right. So if there's a challenge... I wouldn't bother. I'll just advise him now, just don't bother. I mean, he's only at 29% at the moment. Yeah, but it might be if they can only rally around one left-wing candidate.

that actually many of his own MPs, it just turns into a complete bunfire. And many of his own MPs decide, well, we can't have, let's say Andy Burnham comes back, I don't think it will be, but let's say Andy Burnham comes back, or Angela Rayner decides to have a...

You know, from the backbench, he just decides to have a go in after the election. The biggest problem, though, for Starmer right now is the effect of what he said yesterday will have on the electorate. You know, let's forget for a moment about all the interesting...

doings inside the Labour Party. It's the country that people want to know about this morning. That's what they care about because let's have a look at what Nigel Farage said in response to Starmer. Labour says these policies are racist and immoral. And by implication, reform supporters, reform voters, reform sympathisers are racist too. Yes, if you think we should control our borders, you are, by the definition of the Prime Minister and his Cabinet,

All racists. Now, I don't normally worry about abuse being thrown at me. I've got kind of used to it over the course of the last few years. But to accuse countless millions... of being racist is a very, very low blow. Why? Well, this language will incite and encourage...

the radical left. I'm thinking of Antifa and other organisations like that. It directly threatens the safety of our elected officials and our campaigners. And frankly... in the wake of the Charlie Kirk murder, I think this is an absolute disgrace.

And I think people yesterday were reacting to that in a way which is the same way that I was reacting to it, which is that he's absolutely right. What sort of maniac will put those kinds of targets on people and claim that they're racist? Because there are enough nutters in the world.

who might be urged to do something. Whether it's throwing a milkshake, whether it's throwing a brick, whether it's throwing something more serious, whether it's using another kind of weapon. We've seen the result of driving people into those kind of places.

And for the prime minister of this country to do that, I think is absolutely unbelievable. And it's disgraceful. And of course, you know about Lamy's comments that... Well, we'll get to him in a minute. But it's a serious point because, you know, if you go out with Farage, and I'm sure you saw at the reform conference... have been a secure zone there but when you go he's surrounded by seven people when i went out with him in scunthorpe it was literally like

Ten people. And they were always, because of the security situation just out on the street, they were always trying to get him into a shop. So he was doing a tour of the high street. And he couldn't actually... When I knew Farage of old, right, you could just walk down the street and get mobbed. He'd be this, that and the other. That's all gone. Nobody is able to get... You can't get... Literally, they...

the almost frisked people coming up to him saying, OK, let's check you out, frisk you down, and now you can have your picture. And I think that's sad in a way. It was only last year, don't forget, when that woman was done for throwing a milkshake over him. It could have been so much worse. It was a milkshake that time. It could have been anything. You know, she's been rewarded by being, I think, given a slot on Big Brother.

You know, that's the left-wing establishment for you. This one from Michelle. It says, What I watched yesterday at the Labour Shindig was incredibly concerning. A few things stood out, such as A Britain for All, The British Project, You Are Our Enemy, and Nation Renewal. Globalists out and proud. don't get me started on David Lammy.

We'll come to David Lammy in a bit. But I think people genuinely are quite angry about what Starmer said yesterday and how he framed the political situation as if he's good and Nigel Farage is evil.

the way on the left. It's always been the way. There's always been this, you know it, there's always been this slight... I mean, he talks about fairness, but he talks about fairness, right? Let's just list a few things. Is it fair to take away the winter food allowance from pensioners? No. Is it fair to tell farmers that...

They can't use the same inheritance tax loophole that he used to give his family a field full of donkeys, right? Is it fair to say to people, you're going to have to wait in line behind these migrants because they're more important than you are? Because that's what his policy says.

Is it fair that we should be recognising a state of Palestine while Jewish people in this country are frightened to go down the road without fear of being beaten up by some scumbags? Is all of that fair? Because it doesn't seem to be to me. No, it's not fair. And I think the fairness, you know, the narrative around fairness, the fairness, you know, that's been owned by Farage. If you wanted to put a, if you wanted to put a, just a thread that runs through reforms messaging, it is that.

It is that message around fairness. And I think he's a Johnny-come-lately, Keir Starmer, with this speech. He's turning up with a flag. He's turning up, talking, trying to redefine what fairness is. And... I don't think your listeners and I don't think the country are going to buy it. The other thing I'd noticed, and I hadn't compared it just to the ear because I hadn't actually heard what Farage said, I'd read what Farage said, is I think he...

He's got a connection problem. And it sounds, because I listened to Keir Starmer's speech, and I could have been listening, you could have got AI to deliver that. He doesn't have the intonation. When you hear it, it's kind of excruciating because I think I'm listening to a robot. I'm just trying to do that. the content but i'm just talking about if you listen to farage is awful

If you listen to Farage, it feels like you're listening to somebody you know. You know that voice. You know the intonation. You know the highs. You know the lows. You know there's a connection there that he feels like he's speaking to you. And Starmer doesn't have that. For all the voice coaching that he's had, for all the...

I don't think he had, it was the voice coach. Yeah, the voice coach during COVID. When he got visited by the voice coach. Yeah, at Christmas. There's another breaking of the rules. One rule for him, two to Akia. But it hasn't worked, because it just sounds like it's coming straight off an autocue, and you could have got anybody to stand up and just read it out. But there were points during the speech where he had this kind of baying mob behind him, which sounded more like a far-right...

rally to me than anything else and as somebody says here Maggie in London that Labour conference turned into a frenzied angry mob spouting just venom and vile comments about Farage desperate you bet they are so this is the tolerant left it's more like the nasty party absolutely disgraceful and shameful

And that's the thing, you know, when you've got these baying lefties cheering him on, as he says, we will fight with every breath in our body. You know, what do you think that means? Do you think that's incitements of violence? I would say so. Whipping up a crowd like that. If you did that at a rally... that was run by Tommy Robinson, they'd be arresting people, right? Yeah, they did. They didn't arrest anybody yesterday, did they? No. Two-tier Kia strikes against.

I'm going to talk to Zia Yusuf coming up, Head of Policy and Doge at Reform UK. This, of course, is Morning Glory. It's the home of common sense. Let's get it on.

Welcome to the Home Common Sense. Welcome to Morning Glory. Zia Youssef is here. Zia, very good morning to you. Good morning. Good to see you. I was quite gobsmacked, as I think a lot of ordinary British people were yesterday, by the tone of Keir Starmer's speech, by the... absolute violent rhetoric that he seemed to be willing to shove out there and also his complete sort of casual insulting of millions of people in this country.

Yeah, that's exactly right. And it's not just the prime minister. You know, we've seen in the last 48 hours the kind of coordinated, vicious set of demonization. and incitement of violence against a single individual in politics, namely our leader, Nigel Farage, that I've seen in my lifetime. I can't remember the last time we've seen that in such a short period of time, not just the prime minister, but a total of 11 cabinet ministers. no less on pretty much the same day calling Nigel.

racist the deputy prime minister claiming that he flirted with nazism namely the hitler youth which by the way wasn't even uh around uh when nigel uh was was young and we've also seen the prime minister use language like encouraging his supporters to go into quote, battle with, quote, the enemy saying that Nigel represents a threat to our way of life. Again, direct quote. This is language that is clearly designed to incite.

uh violence against nigel and i also want to share this morning um some new information and i thought long and hard about whether i should share it um i lost some sleep last night thinking about it but i think it is in the public interest that they know that just about two weeks ago, the authority slashed the size of Nigel's security detail by 75%.

The authorities cut Nigel's security detail by 75% two weeks ago. That's why so many of us around Nigel are so worried. I want to be clear and reassure people who... a support nigel but be you know all right thinking people in this country who believe in sensible democratic politics in this country that thankfully donors

stepped in and have shored up that security. So Nigel is well protected. But the prime minister knows exactly what he's doing. This is a prime minister who's circling the drain, who, according to a poll this week, is the most unpopular prime minister on record. According to a poll this week, the majority of Labour members want to be replaced. And he's lashing out against the man that he knows. Starmer knows he cannot beat Nigel.

at the ballot box so he's embarked on the most i want to say it again extraordinary coordinated attacks to incite violence against the man who is the bookmaker's favourite to replace him at number 10 Downing Street. It's disgusting and he should apologise. Well, we've played clips this morning in addition to those that you've mentioned. Shabana Mahmood asked if she thinks that Nigel Farage...

as a racist she says she thinks he's worse than that don't even know what that means um and also diane abbott who we can forgive because you know she comes out with some batty stuff but but she comes out and says you know i can see why people want to give him a kicking you know this kind of language that if it

As I said earlier, if it was performed by anybody in reform, there would be calls for people to be kicked out of Parliament, people to be stripped of their jobs. Mike, the police would be knocking on their door. Yeah, of course. The police would be knocking on their door, Mike.

And what Diane Abbott said, and I'm unwilling to give her a pass just because she's Diane Abbott, because she went on Newsnight and she said she's, quote, all for giving him a good kicking. And as someone who works... with Nigel has worked with him every single day now for a considerable period of time seen how much he gives to this country I have seen psychopaths attempt to attack Nigel attempt to attack reform supporters attempt to attack

uh reform activists and volunteers patriots who love this country for them to do this and again i want to say this this isn't just one errant comment you know if it was just diane abbott or anyone else on news night saying something that then recanted that's one thing but the coordinated set of attacks over 48 hours using the biggest megaphone in the country you know there's a concept in security circles

known as stochastic terrorism. I know that sounds a bit arcane and technical, but I'll try and explain what it is briefly. It's where somebody uses... a big megaphone to very publicly demonize and vilify a target, vilify an individual in public in order to whip up and encourage a random act of violence against them. That is a well-known concept in security circles.

by the way of course just two weeks after the tragic assassination of uh charlie kirk uh the most high profile um political assassination in recent memory and i just did an interview a minute ago where they asked well this isn't an american Well, no, it isn't.

No, it isn't. We know full well that there are members of parliament who have been brutally murdered in cold blood not too long ago in this country, to our country's shame. And so for the prime minister to... resort to this i don't care how desperate he is to resort to this sort of campaign of vilifying of rhetoric

There's no excuse for whatsoever. It is coordinated. They've used the biggest megaphone in the country. There's no excuse for it. He needs to apologize. And frankly, if somebody wants to take us on, look, I'm the head of policy. If you want to call, if you want to...

uh take issue with our policies come and debate our policies come and debate uh the issues but to embark on this coordinated vilification and demonization campaign against a man who, by the way, has so many threats against him. I see every day tweets and TikToks just this morning. I was looking, you know, David Ball has just pushed a screenshot out of some.

where there was a tweet saying nothing can stop Nigel now. And some lunatic replied, well, a sniper rifle could. And this happens almost every single day. I want to reiterate, the donors have stepped in to ensure that Nigel is protected and is safe. But this is a new low in British politics. It really is. Let me just take you back to that removal of his security from the authority. So who's responsible for that?

Who would have made that decision and how did they communicate it to him? Well, who made that decision? It remains to be seen. We don't know yet. It's parliamentary security that make that decision. And a couple of weeks ago, they said. inexplicably in my humble opinion um that they saw fit to materially downgrade in fact downgraded security to the tune of 70.

You know, a year ago, Nigel, reform is polling at around 15 percent. Today we're polling at 32 percent. He's three times more likely to be the next prime minister. I see the threats against him. Very specific. Look. No one has done more to champion free speech in this country than reform. And we're the only serious political party saying that we want to stand up for free speech. But even the most ardent free speech activists must accept that there is a limit and does accept that.

Inciting violence against people is unacceptable. I've seen it time and time again. The threat level against Nigel is real. It's off the charts. And what the prime minister has done in coordinating, I want to say this again, it's not one.

hear me saying this if it was one errant comment that then got recanted um at a fringe event at a conference it is the prime minister's office it is 11 cabinet ministers the deputy prime minister the home uh secretary um all two weeks after at the tragic assassination of Charlie Kirk and two weeks after...

the authorities decimated the size of Nigel's security detail. Yeah, that is a very, very strange piece of timing, it has to be said. And I mean, as far as the way that Nigel Farage can now conduct himself in public, you say luckily there's enough donors to cover. cover the cost of him having his own security to deal with. But basically, you know, we're living in a world now where Keir Starmer, the prime minister of this country, can stand in front of an audience, a baying crowd of jeering.

individuals who for all intents and purposes to me look like some kind of mad extremist political rally from the 1970s right um and he's actually using the words we will fight them with everything we have now how is that not uh some kind of call to arms.

That's exactly. In fact, he actually used the word armed. He actually used the word armed in his speech. That's another direct quote. And again, anyone who understands security in depth, and we've spoken to security experts about this, there's no doubt he knows exactly. what he is doing. Look, I've seen these masked lunatics at our events. From what we can tell, it looks like it was an Antifa member or sympathiser who was the assassin of Charlie Kirk.

And look, we know extremism does exist in this country. And I want to reiterate, this isn't some fringe political party. This is the prime minister.

of the united kingdom a supposed human rights lawyer flanked by supposedly great people and yet they've come out one after the other after the other 11 no less to call nigel racist um to call reform voters and supporters uh racist and as you said shabana mahmood the home secretary said that he's worse than racist you said perhaps charitably you don't know what that means i know what that means well we know

You know, if somebody is constantly comparing somebody to Nazis, to fascists, again, not debating us on the details of the policy or the merits of the policy, absolutely going after. the individual themselves they know exactly what they are doing and the fact that this has come as I said

in the aftermath of the tragic assassination, the most high-profile political assassination in recent memory in the form of Charlie Kirk. And also, as I said, just a fortnight after the authorities materially downgraded. Nigel's security. I'm afraid there's no excuse for it. Keir Starmer needs to apologise. Zia Yusuf, thank you very much indeed for your time. Zia Yusuf, Head of Policy and Doge Reform UK.

Let's find out what's going on. Orla, very good morning to you. Hi, Mike. How are you? Yeah, very well indeed. Are you on your way or are you there yet? I'm in the car in Whitehall and we are waiting for the sound system to arrive. And we've had a bit of a disaster this morning. A scaffolding company that were supposed to put our stage up pulled out at half six. No. And they said that it would be bad PR. Are you joking? No. That's unbelievable.

Yeah, so I explained to them and said, look, we're expecting 800,000 women. And why is it bad PR? It's good PR, if anything. And he said, no, we can't be associated with the right. quote unquote. That's extraordinary, isn't it? That is ridiculous. Do you need some help? Have you got anybody to replace them? Lovely Rupert Lowe is on the case. He has called this morning and he's trying to get us a stage. We've done some SOSs out on social media.

if push comes to shove i think we're just going to have to get a couple of boxes or a barrel from a local pub. And Susan Hall will have to stand on a barrel at 11 o'clock as she does her speech to everybody. So it's very unglamorous.

And very grassroots. It's very grassroots. Listen, there's nothing wrong with that. It's like the people's revolt. You can do without scaffolding. You can do without people who decide to work for you based on what your political views are, even if that was a reason for that, which there isn't. Yep. Absolute nonsense. I mean, you're all about safeguarding children, safeguarding people, safeguarding women. Isn't that what the Labour government's supposed to be all about?

Well, exactly. And I mean, look, the pink protest today, this is our first one. And we are overwhelmed by the amount of support we're getting. I've got about 50 ladies who've just called me from Epping Station who are all meeting to come together.

women coming from everywhere i've had people coming contact us from brighton from newcastle so we're hoping it's going to be an amazing event and the thing is a lot of these women mike have never protested before they've never felt the need to protest they've always accepted the status quo even if they didn't feel that it was you know going the way that they believed but now we've got to a stage where

women and you know grandmothers mothers we've got a lady who's 90 today coming on a mobility scooter and they're saying we can't tolerate this anymore and the pink protest is giving them the opportunity and the platform to come and protest in safety and they feel that they're standing side by side with people of the same mindset. So, yeah, we're there to say to the government, stop.

bringing in thousands and thousands of illegal migrant men into this country day after day our borders are open and therefore You know, we are literally giving license to anybody to come in and abuse our women and children. It's just not OK. So that's what the protest is today. We've got some amazing speakers. We've got Maria Botel from Restore Britain. We've got Susan.

hall we've got the you know we've got um loads and loads of different ladies from pink protests around the country um so it's going to be an amazing day if we get something to stand on How about just driving a truck? Can you not just stand on a flatbed truck or something like that? Can you get one of those? Well, we've got a truck, but the Metropolitan Police said that we can't use it because it's on...

It's on grass opposite Downing Street. So I'm going to go and sweet chat to them now and see if I can make some arrangements. But it'll be fine. We'll pull it together. I'm sure there'll be people listening to this and watching this show right now who will do their absolute utmost.

And help, by the way, because Rupert Lowe's probably going to do a great job. But if he can't, anybody who has anything they can do to help Orla and the Pink Protest, you get in touch with us, please. Amazing. And we'll pass it on and get something down there for you because it's a fantastic event. And what a great day to be doing it as well, the day after Keir Starmer's called everybody a racist.

I know, I know. So what we want to say to, I've got some ladies are turning up now. They're all waving flags at me. So, but yeah, we want to, we want to say to, you know, is he going to turn around today and look at, you know. Sarah, who is a 38-year-old single mum, is he going to turn around to a lady called Shirley, who turned 82 last week, and Mavis, who's 91, and say, you're racist? Is that what he's going to say to us today when we're all protesting about protecting our children?

and grandchildren it's absolute nonsense nonsense absolutely ridiculous and let's hope the police behave themselves as well and make sure they look after you and just and just make sure that everybody has a great day out it's fantastic when if anybody wants to come down and join you all

When does it all kind of get underway? So it starts from 10 o'clock. So there will be stewards outside Westminster Station to escort people down Whitehall to Richmond Terrace opposite Downing Street. Hopefully by then our sound system will be set up. If not, you know, there will be hundreds of women wearing pink. You won't be able to miss us. It will look like a sea of Pepto-Bismol across Whitehall. And it will be a great day. And you know what?

At the end of the day, we stand outside the hotel as an epping and canary wharf and we sing and we, you know, stand there together in solidarity and we make it work. And if that's what we've got to do today, we'll do that today. Brilliant. Well, listen, have a great day and really enjoy yourself. And I'm sure that everything.

will work out in the end. Orloth, great to see you. Thank you very much indeed. Orloth Minahan there, great woman, reformed candidate for Epping, has single-handedly, with some other help, I mean, she'll be the first to admit that, has been leading the charge over in Epping outside the Bell Hotel.

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Let's talk to Graham Stringer, MP, Labour, Blackley and Middleton South. Graham, very good morning to you. Morning. I was slightly disturbed, more than slightly disturbed, actually, by the tone of Keir Starmer's speech yesterday. Do you think he went over the top? I have always believed, sometimes against the evidence, that politics should be a rational arguments and debates based on facts acknowledged by both.

sides. I think extreme language should be avoided and calling Nigel Farage a racist and by you can follow the logic that uh really implies that the supporters are racist because if it's racist i think that's a huge mistake both pragmatically it's not going to persuade people to vote labor and not vote reform

It's going to motivate and solidify those people who were going to vote reform anyway and those people who might be considering voting reform. It's not a rational argument, it's name-calling. like you get in school playgrounds. It really is. But it's worse than that in a way, isn't it? Because he knows what he's doing. I mean, people say, you know, he's right to say that there's a choice between labour and reform. You know, one, I don't know how you feel about that.

He's basically acknowledging reformers as the main opposition party for a start. But secondly, he's kind of trying to create this kind of good versus evil narrative, which I don't think is helpful at all. I don't think it's helpful, as I say, I think. I don't support reform I'm a Labour MP sometimes critical of our policies but I don't think it's helpful and we should remember that Fairly recently, a Conservative MP was murdered, a Labour MP was murdered, a Labour MP was stabbed in the stomach.

Some distance before that, a Lib Dem assistant with the Liberal MP was murdered. That is new to our politics and we don't want to make it worse. we want to reduce that and be research i try again, occasionally fail to be as respectful as I can to the opposition because people are participating in a democracy and they deserve their arguments and them personally to be given respect.

Yes, I think that's right. And, you know, it's not old-fashioned to think like that, I don't think. I mean, Nigel Farage was quite interesting in his remarks afterwards. He said, I thought Keir Starmer was a decent man. He said, I thought he was a guy that I could disagree with and who I could speak to in a civil... manner about it, but it turns out that Keir Starmer is so desperate that he doesn't feel he can do that anymore, because it looks to me like the act of a desperate man.

If I can just broaden it out, the speech yesterday, he rallied the troops, which is always, I think, going over the top of the language. But he didn't do the... basics of explaining what how we're going to improve the country uh particularly in the run up to a a difficult budget so he decided to lower the tone of debate by quite a quite a lot in terms of what Nigel Farage was saying I think he basically is a decent man but he seems to lose it when he gets involved in really tough debates

or when he's under fire. Bending his knees to Black Lives Matter, which is an organisation that wants to defund the police, saying that women, well, it works out that about a third of a million women and girls in this country have penises. They're pretty odd things. And I think what he did yesterday, I just don't think he thought. through the consequences

for harmony and decency in the body politic. But that's really not acceptable in somebody as important, in as important a position as that is, because he's not just, you know, a leader of a small party. He's not just... leader of the opposition, he's now the Prime Minister of this country, he represents the people, all the people, which is what he says he does, but he's effectively tarring a whole crowd of them, millions of them in fact, with the racism insult.

Yeah, there's complete contradiction in his speech that he wanted to bring. I don't think he used the word harmony, but he wanted to bring everybody together and represent everybody, which he... he did say and yet he was painting a significant number of voters into a corner with the label racist on them. I think there's a complete contradiction. And I think it's really regressible if a prime minister uses language like that.

I mean, in your position as a senior Labour MP, as you say, someone who's a loyal Labour MP but is always critical of the leadership, I mean, would you consider communicating that? to the Prime Minister to say to him, look, I don't think this was wise. I think you might want to step back from it a little bit, maybe, you know, water it down slightly or maybe even apologise for going too far.

Yes. I mean, I wouldn't do it in a letter, I don't think, because I guess he wouldn't read it. That's been the response of a number. I've not written to him recently. People haven't been getting replies to that. It's Labour and Peace. that is. But if I see him, I would certainly say that. Andy Burnham said at the beginning of the Labour Party conference that the Labour Party was now governed by fear, that there was an atmosphere of fear in the party. Would you say that's right?

I think Andy was going a bit over the top on that as well. I think what is different is somebody who occasionally has voted against the whip. on things like Iraq and the European Union and COVID. The whips have been relatively tolerant, particularly if... We've had a big majority like we do at the moment. But a number of good Labour MPs have had the whip taken off them. So I think in that sense, Andy is right.

if you want to pull a party let alone a nation uh together uh on some big issues you just have to accept that mps look at the facts and come to different conclusions than the Prime Minister does. Tony Blair didn't expel people. No, of course not, because he was confident enough to know that you could have dissected views in the broad church because he had a big enough majority to do it.

so does Starmer you know he should be a bit more confident about it but he doesn't have any confidence because I think deep down he doesn't really think that he should be the leader because he doesn't really know what he's doing Tony Blair and I had criticisms of him, particularly over Iraq. where he knew most of the Labour Party, a lot of the country were against him. He never stopped arguing the case in detail with the facts. And I don't think he has got...

the confidence in some ways to do that. He missed an opportunity yesterday when we're coming up to a very internally divisive issue for the Labour Party. difficult tough decisions will have to be made on the budget there was almost nothing said about that Just incredible stuff. Graham, good to talk to you. Thanks very much indeed. Graham Stringer, MP for Blackley and Middleton South. Although somebody's just told me it's pronounced Blakely and Middleton South, if you say so. Thank you.

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