we're back again baby! - Safety Third 142

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I think I'm good. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm recording. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just doing something. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what. [SPEAKER_02]: Is the music playing? [SPEAKER_02]: What did what are you doing, John? [SPEAKER_02]: I just hear like a horrible speaker buzzing noise. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was looking alarm. [SPEAKER_02]: He said this is the only fix I found for you guys to be able to hear the music, and it's just like screaming like speaker noise.

[SPEAKER_02]: And he's swearing. [SPEAKER_02]: He's like in the corner swear. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I hear some banging. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what happened? [SPEAKER_00]: I hear devices being unplugged and plugged in. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, Nigel. [SPEAKER_02]: What is it? [SPEAKER_00]: Hello. [SPEAKER_02]: What is this horrible buzzing? [SPEAKER_02]: I don't hear it. [SPEAKER_02]: You're lucky. [SPEAKER_02]: It's awful.

[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to this very special episode of the safety third podcast. [SPEAKER_02]: Is this public, are we back? [SPEAKER_02]: This is a public one. [SPEAKER_02]: Is it public? [SPEAKER_02]: You haven't been able to do any public podcast. [SPEAKER_02]: We've only been recording the Patreon podcast because Nigel over here is. [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, that's not true. [SPEAKER_01]: What? [SPEAKER_01]: Entirely true. [SPEAKER_01]: What do you? [SPEAKER_01]: There's like two weeks.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was like two weeks where you didn't. [SPEAKER_01]: You weren't able to. [SPEAKER_01]: That's not true. [SPEAKER_01]: What's back? [SPEAKER_02]: We don't have to go to specifics unless it's not a title. [UNKNOWN]: Wow. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, the lighting. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, we. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's what. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, what happened to lighting. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we exactly everything to open sauce.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it was like lost basically in the shipping container. [SPEAKER_02]: So we had the fix lighting and we were going to we're going to fix the lighting before doing the podcast the public podcast and then we never fix the lighting. [SPEAKER_02]: Does it look like shit? [SPEAKER_00]: People don't actually watch it, right? [SPEAKER_00]: They leave it on in the background. [SPEAKER_02]: I think so. [SPEAKER_02]: Do they even do that? [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's just a bunch of Russian bots that we that we farm views. [SPEAKER_02]: That's his last right now. [SPEAKER_02]: We pay Indian centers to watch, yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Where they have like racks of phones. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: And then, yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: We look good though. [SPEAKER_02]: We look, do we? [SPEAKER_02]: Do we Nigel? [SPEAKER_02]: Do we look, how do we look Nigel? [SPEAKER_01]: You look. [SPEAKER_01]: You guys always look fantastic.

[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_02]: I love you. [SPEAKER_02]: Anyways, um yeah, so it delighting which we haven't fixed and then Nigel's busy and then we are covering after open time How many months has it been three no way yeah, the lie and then August September not only two No, because he started it was June 15 July 15 was it June this year? [SPEAKER_00]: No, it was July this year. [SPEAKER_00]: It was July [SPEAKER_01]: I think Kevin needs to recover more.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: See now, you guys are all the same J. Yeah, J. J. J. J. J. [SPEAKER_00]: You were from around every year. [SPEAKER_02]: J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J [SPEAKER_00]: Nice. [SPEAKER_00]: What if I release my cryocooler before you do, I would terminate it. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, no, you can do that. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because what yours is better.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, it's what is yours make you said it makes like 14 liters per hour. [SPEAKER_01]: No, that would be that, that, that's a obscene. [SPEAKER_01]: It does about a leader an hour. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, 14 liters of air. [SPEAKER_02]: The view did 14 liters of air, liquified. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: What is that at room temperature? [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, would that actually create like a draft in the room?

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I know that my cryoglyphal is one liter every day. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's like, that's a flow rate of like a liter per minute. [SPEAKER_02]: What is a liter of liquid air to gaseous air though? [SPEAKER_00]: So if I'm feeding air into it, I would feed it like a liter of minute is to liquify. [SPEAKER_00]: So how many minutes are there in a day? [SPEAKER_02]: 60 times 24. [SPEAKER_02]: But what, what math are you trying to do again?

[SPEAKER_02]: I want to figure out what's the volume of air you're compressing when you freeze it. [SPEAKER_02]: Like when did your liquify like if you took, if you expanded it, if you expanded it to room temperature, like is it it's like a thousand times a thousand times. [SPEAKER_00]: I think so. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: So that would be like 14,000 liters an hour. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, how big is a room? [SPEAKER_02]: How many liters is a room? [SPEAKER_02]: Where's my phone?

[SPEAKER_02]: What is a room 10 by 10 by 8 and by 15? [SPEAKER_00]: Well, a cubic meter would be a thousand liters, right? [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I don't my brain doesn't work in meters. [SPEAKER_02]: And by 15 times 1200 cubic feet, two liters. [SPEAKER_04]: Or that'd be 10 meters. [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, wait, wait, wait, wait, it's happening. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, something's happening. [SPEAKER_02]: 400,000, 300,000 liter. [SPEAKER_02]: And that's in a room. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, oh, in a room.

[SPEAKER_00]: The 400,000, that's a lot. [SPEAKER_00]: That's like a 10 by 10 by 10. [SPEAKER_02]: 400. [SPEAKER_02]: That would be 400 liters of liquid for a 10 by 15 by 8 for room. [SPEAKER_02]: So if you took a room that was 10 feet wide by 15 feet wide sealed it up tall really well liquified all the air. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you just let the cryo cooler run in the room eventually The volumere would turn into 400 liters.

[SPEAKER_02]: What what is 400 liters though like I can Oh, we gotta go back to like a real unit of measurement. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, 400 how many gallons of water is that [SPEAKER_02]: to you, um, oh, let's do that in five gallon bucket. [SPEAKER_02]: That's good. [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, 25 gallon bucket. [SPEAKER_02]: So that's like this room. [SPEAKER_02]: This is like a pretty decent size really. [SPEAKER_00]: Is that right?

[SPEAKER_02]: That's like a, that seems like a lot of, yeah, stuff just into 10 into 100 gallons. [SPEAKER_02]: So that'd be 25 gallon bucket. [SPEAKER_04]: That's [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we're probably wrong. [SPEAKER_04]: We'll find out later. [SPEAKER_02]: I think we did that. [SPEAKER_02]: It seems reasonable a thousand times less volume would be like 20 gallon or 100 gallons yeah, what a huge room. [SPEAKER_00]: Wow. [SPEAKER_00]: That's like a swimming pool.

[SPEAKER_02]: So a death that would be in that what what what did we say that was in a day 400 leaders in the day for Nigel's yeah, I think so. [SPEAKER_02]: So that would be. [SPEAKER_02]: Wait, is that 400 liters a day? [SPEAKER_02]: What are you talking about? [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we fucked up this problem somewhere in here. [SPEAKER_02]: Wait, where's the 400, where's the 400,000 came from? [SPEAKER_02]: How much, um, like it was a leader in the room?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, a leader a minute. [SPEAKER_00]: No, yes, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: And I just consumed the leader a minute? [SPEAKER_02]: No, mine does. [SPEAKER_02]: Yours is a leader a minute. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: So then in 20,000, you would consume 400,000 liters and I would compress into about 100 gallons of liquid.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that, like, no, well, something's definitely wrong then because I only get a leader of liquid a day. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I think. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, we fucked that up. [SPEAKER_02]: That's okay. [SPEAKER_02]: We can move on. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, a leader weighs about 800 grams. [SPEAKER_01]: I think. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, okay. [SPEAKER_01]: What I'm trying to figure out.

[SPEAKER_02]: I should have just, I should have a leader like 800 grams coming under the doorway, because it's just waiting for so much air. [SPEAKER_02]: It's like creating a vacuum in the room and it's like sucking air like like, [SPEAKER_02]: turning into liquid, which then means there's less pressure in there. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, pulling a vacuum, pulling a vacuum, so you're going to have like air like coming in like every room if you're like a negative. [SPEAKER_02]: But what is that?

[SPEAKER_02]: What do they call that? [SPEAKER_02]: Like a negative pressure with the sucking and everything from outside. [SPEAKER_01]: That would be not liquid air has a density of about 0.87 or something. [SPEAKER_01]: So you can say 0.9. [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like 900 grams. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we don't care about gram either. [SPEAKER_01]: Just just where the grams come this time. [SPEAKER_00]: And I just been silently suffering over here, just waiting to tell us why I told you to keep it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, because if it has a density of 900 grams a liter, it's going to be a liter will be 900 grams. [SPEAKER_02]: Is this like a paper when we do problems? [SPEAKER_01]: Like if you keep track of what you've started and all I want is the density of air is, so if you have 900 grams, the density of air is about 1.2 kilos. [SPEAKER_01]: per cubic meter. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: So you're at like, you know, three quarters of a cubic meter of air.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's not that much for a leader. [SPEAKER_01]: A cubic meter. [SPEAKER_01]: How many feet go into it? [SPEAKER_01]: Three. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, try that. [SPEAKER_01]: That's been up 45. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how many feet. [SPEAKER_02]: I think. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, this this is I think you beat it's 35. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't care. [SPEAKER_01]: You do three quarters three quarters a 35. [SPEAKER_01]: So let's say like 28.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what this 28 cubic feet [SPEAKER_01]: Somebody further down. [SPEAKER_01]: Why are we going between metric and because we're stupid fake fake no numbers? [SPEAKER_02]: Because everything scientific uses metric and then all of our intuition is standard because our data life, they force us to use these horrible units. [SPEAKER_01]: So mind will do 28 cubic feet an hour. [SPEAKER_01]: It's not that much. [SPEAKER_02]: 28 cubic feet of room temperature air.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: So you would there'd be a very slight breeze, but not really. [SPEAKER_00]: You might be able to feel it under the crap if you don't really seal everything up except like this underside of one door. [SPEAKER_01]: You feel like a slight breeze with like a piece of paper yeah a piece of paper is right go I think there's a bit of negative pressure in this room something in here is creative negative pressure what could it be.

[SPEAKER_02]: What have you done anything interesting because I feel like not having done the podcast, we should have been relaxing, but I don't feel very relaxed, it kind of is a non-stop like after open sausage just like non-stop. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we have still been doing the podcast and if you were a Patreon you would know this. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but. [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So we haven't completely stopped. [SPEAKER_00]: We weren't completely stopped.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just been taking forever for me to finish this video. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, well, I thought this was going to be a 20-minute video. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, can you take a guess on how long it's probably going to be hour ten minutes? [SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty close. [SPEAKER_01]: It's probably like an hour in ten minutes. [SPEAKER_00]: Nigel, can I edit this video for you? [SPEAKER_01]: I got it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Really, you're actually nice with with the ad spot and with the intro and with everything. [SPEAKER_01]: It's probably like an hour in ten minutes. [SPEAKER_02]: Wow. [SPEAKER_02]: All the YouTube ads that you inject everywhere. [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, that's probably like three. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: He does as YouTube ads. [SPEAKER_01]: He just clicks every every game of the timeline. [SPEAKER_00]: And to see if it'll let him place it out there or not.

[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, what's kind of funny is we remove, um, ads. [SPEAKER_01]: Because they're, Corey's panicked before when we posted a video. [SPEAKER_01]: And then we were, Corey, we waited to go, we were busy. [SPEAKER_01]: And Corey goes, oh my god, it forgot to remove the ads. [SPEAKER_01]: He clicks it. [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just a force of ads. [SPEAKER_01]: Because that's just what YouTube puts in. [SPEAKER_02]: They know your videos got people glued in.

[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone's like, they're fall easy. [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody's fall asleep. [SPEAKER_02]: And so there's like a captive audience that can subconsciously market. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: They just, they just, they just try to ram as many ads as they can. [SPEAKER_00]: You know what, Nigel? [SPEAKER_00]: You know that every video can be edited down into a 60-second short. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: You can say turning this video into a 60-second short.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and not posting the full length one. [SPEAKER_01]: Not at this point. [SPEAKER_01]: That would be, that would be a pretty sad sad, you know, change to just quit. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, this is the magnet one. [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's, it's the cryogenic one. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: So the thing that's dumb is it's like not even chemistry. [SPEAKER_00]: No. [SPEAKER_01]: Where is it, with physics?

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's just, I mean, I think it's a human story. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's just building a giant liquid nitrogen generator. [SPEAKER_01]: What do you do with liquid nitrogen at the end? [SPEAKER_00]: It's an intrusive thought. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I just appreciate it. [SPEAKER_00]: I made ice cream last night. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, you could do make a dip in dot's machine. [SPEAKER_01]: at the end of the one hour long video.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: No, all you have to do is just like set up a drop or that drops like liquid ice cream into the pool. [SPEAKER_00]: And like that's why you made this machine because you want, they don't sell dip and dots in Canada and you wanted them. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I'm just making it up, but put a frog in it. [SPEAKER_01]: So the, I actually, that would be very enticing. [SPEAKER_01]: The reason actually made it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've got to watch you in this one. [SPEAKER_01]: You got, you got me. [SPEAKER_01]: You could do this. [SPEAKER_01]: You got to watch the video. [SPEAKER_01]: To figure out why I made it, you know, you got to watch the intro. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what is your reason? [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think the ultimate [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, honestly, there's not that much of a reach mental illness. [SPEAKER_01]: I just like the idea because basically that I have the little cryo cooler.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm actually I remember what it was the idea, it was because you have liquid, you wanted to like freeze an apple and liquid nitrogen, right? [SPEAKER_00]: But you're like, what if I could make it even colder, like, then, then look when nitrogen, you need liquid helium for that. [SPEAKER_00]: So now you want to make liquid helium. [SPEAKER_00]: So you can really freeze things colder than liquid nitrogen.

[SPEAKER_01]: was that's another that's another that's a side side quest wait that's a Kevin you're Kevin you're exposing all my years you told us on the podcast before I know uh... no basically i just want to be able to make a crap ten of liquid nitrogen because there's a bunch of projects that i need that uses liquid nitrogen and what's funny [SPEAKER_01]: is this actually only happened while I was editing it. [SPEAKER_01]: I needed some more and I didn't have time.

[SPEAKER_01]: I I basically needed it to film the intro and I ran out of the liquid nitrogen I made. [SPEAKER_01]: So Nick went to go pick one up. [SPEAKER_01]: Do they charge this 12 dollars a lead? [SPEAKER_01]: Holy crap. [SPEAKER_01]: I remember a few years ago was $4 a liter, dude, it was just me a few bucks and then the guy was like, I was like, what the last time I bought it was like $3 and he's like, oh, well, there's a plot, whatever. [SPEAKER_01]: He had some dumb reasons.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're running out of the guy running out of night. [SPEAKER_01]: The guy that, yeah, exactly. [SPEAKER_01]: So then I just looked at him like, thank God. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, tell him, call that guy on the phone and tell him we're never buying it again. [SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna make our own because I'm working on the video. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's perfect. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like I might, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't really fit in the video, but it was like an raging thing, rock, well, thank God I have my own generator now. [SPEAKER_01]: Never have to get scammed by these guys again. [SPEAKER_02]: Two, two, three to break. [SPEAKER_02]: Do you just need to need liquid nitrogen? [SPEAKER_01]: What I mean, it cost, I made to make like a hundred leaders. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what's the only possible?

[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't look it up honestly after they do all the calculations, but probably like a couple hundred bucks, maybe. [SPEAKER_02]: So like a draw or them a leader is it a one 10 out of it or two. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they was too 40. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: That let the the come they it runs on a 440 or sorry, 480 not 440 440 would be weird. [SPEAKER_01]: It's 480. [SPEAKER_02]: Wow. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but one amp. [SPEAKER_01]: One amp.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't I don't know if you're just you're just look like this compressor. [SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm making nitro feed it well. [SPEAKER_01]: Why feed nitrogen into it? [SPEAKER_01]: So you don't have the air. [SPEAKER_00]: Where are you getting the nitrogen from the air? [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So you have the pressure swing absorb adsorption thing. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, it's a, um, that's a call.

[SPEAKER_01]: The membrane, uh, generator. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's cool. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Those are cool. [SPEAKER_01]: Guys, you got to just, you got to just got to wait. [SPEAKER_00]: And this video is going to, how many, how many leaders of liquid nitrogen do you have to make to break even.

[SPEAKER_01]: on, well, at the price now, uh, still a lot, but I mean, yeah, at a hundred leaders, they're charging the, well, probably I get a bulk deal, but like we bought 50 and it was 12 bucks a leader. [SPEAKER_01]: So if you buy a hundred and the charging is 1200 bucks, that's actually insane. [SPEAKER_01]: That's an obscene price. [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, when you're getting absolutely scammed, uh, it only you'd only probably have to make like, um, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: that was in leader. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, actually that's great. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's that's going to pay off really quickly as long as we're getting scammed the moment their prices go back to normal and it's like, okay, that's not really that worth it. [SPEAKER_03]: What if you make it, you're doing it clearly to. [SPEAKER_01]: So you should make an obscene amount of liquid nitrogen for a hamster.

[SPEAKER_02]: I had an idea like ages ago like early to do a dip and dots machine. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, really? [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I feel like that's not as interesting anymore. [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of people have done it already. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, have they? [SPEAKER_02]: It's harder than you would think though. [SPEAKER_02]: Really digripping it in. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think you actually as I tried it before and it's like it doesn't cool fast enough.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you just have like say a normal cup of liquid nitrogen or like, you know, insulated thermos or but I think you need to either like pre cool the liquid like ice cream down to like 32 33 degrees. [SPEAKER_00]: It's almost freezing almost freezing. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like almost freezing, but it's still kind of it doesn't come out like those perfectly round balls. [SPEAKER_00]: that you get with dip and dots. [SPEAKER_00]: They were always kind of misshapin.

[SPEAKER_00]: So there might be some some way where you could like balls from a statement. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they were. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I could fit a lot. [SPEAKER_00]: How do you measure like what's the gauge is like the shape of a ball? [SPEAKER_00]: I could feel like, I don't know, maybe 200 balls in my mouth. [SPEAKER_00]: So they were 200 gauge balls. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think the real dip and dots are like 400. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they're big balls. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, big balls.

[SPEAKER_02]: And you want them smaller smaller pre-cooling it make that easier. [SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if it's like, yeah, we're going to like, yeah, because when they hit the water or the nitrogen, they kind of like splat a little bit. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so you don't get like, you don't get a nice round ball. [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe they inject them like directly into the nitrogen. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, maybe. [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, or like closer to the surface.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think what always blows my mind is whenever you try any of those projects, the number of roadblocks you hit for something that seems so simple, you're like, ah, just, that's why even this nitrogen project, I was just like, oh, it's just, you just slap a few pieces together and it's kind of it. [SPEAKER_01]: And then when you're in it, like, I don't know, everything goes wrong, but it turns into something that's a lot more interesting than it seems on the surface.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think the problem that I find is that is true, but then when you're putting like, when you put it together in video format, it always ends up being that you have to cut out so much, because otherwise it doesn't mean one part of the problem that you think is interesting, you're saying like, you get like every single time, you have to, you can't show every problem. [SPEAKER_01]: So it's even like, I don't know, you're working on something for open sauce.

[SPEAKER_01]: And if you're doing a documentary on how you put the event together,

[SPEAKER_01]: there might be like so many things that matter to you like this crazy time where you went to go get I don't know you went to go rent a tractor and there's this crazy fiasco and you couldn't believe it but you go to put it in the video and you like this makes no sense it's just like if I keep putting stuff like this in the video will be three hours long and never go anywhere so you shave it all out and then people watch it and they're like oh that looked pretty straightforward and simple this fight the problems.

[SPEAKER_02]: My theory is people like to see progress and like watching a video get satisfaction from progress. [SPEAKER_02]: And if you don't inject progress frequently enough, it's not satisfying. [SPEAKER_02]: And so, like progress is not limited to, you know, like getting my starting point and my ending point, it's like like there is an appropriate way to break down like segments of problems. [SPEAKER_02]: It's like sub-progress.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so like if you're like I did the electronics and then you like but the problem was like I had this party electronics wasn't working and then that party it's like you've spent too much time in these like sub problems and you need to move on to like the like next whatever mass problem with that you need people to they they have to expect progress to be made you have to like almost lead them into like

[SPEAKER_00]: knowing that it is going to be like a quick problem that's going to be fixed and they almost have an idea themselves of how you're going to fix it. [SPEAKER_00]: And then when you do fix it, they're like, I knew it. [SPEAKER_02]: They have to have an appreciation for the problem otherwise you can't spend much time on it. [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like definitely the thing the problem is interests. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: Or yeah, exactly.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's not it's not like. [SPEAKER_02]: easy to do and I am surprised that Nigel is able to make his videos as long as they are because you know, it is, it does seem to be like my gut instinct would be a lot of time on these, you know, smaller microproms but I think what helps with your videos is like this is sort of visual ASMR of progress. [SPEAKER_02]: of like things happening like a powder coming out of this being transferred of, you know, a boy, you'll be happy.

[SPEAKER_00]: That is all progress. [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

[SPEAKER_01]: I was doing the audio and I hit the section and I straighted was deleted two pages of the script because I'm just like This is yeah, I don't know how to describe it. [SPEAKER_01]: It's like if you start talking about too many problems and you were to make that video you feel like it almost comes across like you're just complaining. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're not here for a while here.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's a going nowhere and you're just like, and then I did this and then I tried this and it didn't work and then I did this and it didn't work and everyone's like, is this just like a complaint log and this is really going anywhere.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you can do that if you're like having a breakdown in the video like we're nothing's working and it's like, yeah, you know, that's just a breaking, but it's not really like that's when it, it's when it's highlighted in the video as like this main thing that's happening, you're able to do that. [SPEAKER_01]: But if you just, you know, get in the weeds of like random. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you can't make it too tiny where, you know. [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I want to build?

[SPEAKER_02]: So it's you kind of what in it's sort of the dipendous company thinking about this. [SPEAKER_02]: I've ever talked about the ice cream experience in machines. [SPEAKER_01]: You mean like actually yes, you can make like the soft serve. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, are you talking like the sponge bob ones? [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, all right. [SPEAKER_02]: How do you make a sponge bob half the call?

[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, you squeeze a bunch of, okay, I'm imagining a bunch of tubes that are approximately positioned next to you, so you get like pixels and then they're like layered out so they like if you're looking at it, it looks like sponge Bob, but it's a bunch of tubes. [SPEAKER_00]: And then you put different colored ice cream and that's exactly how they do it. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, is it really? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So, but there's a problem.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Having cracked the code. [SPEAKER_02]: So, each also, it's actually very hard to find any information about this because everything you search just like, like, what's the word? [SPEAKER_02]: Like, what is the word? [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: What's the word you type in that explains, because you just type in, like, popsicle extrude, nothing comes up. [SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember this very specific thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: But it would, it's like, Jackie B.T. [SPEAKER_02]: Ice? [SPEAKER_00]: Don't remember, maybe that's how I figured it was like, I think you have to freeze it like, yeah, right as it's like being extruded right and you can't let the tubes freeze there's a lot of other problems. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that's the only thing like the fucked up ones the fucked up fun. [SPEAKER_00]: They're all kind of fucked up. [SPEAKER_00]: They're all kind of the secret.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so now imagine like imagine this. [SPEAKER_02]: You have to feed ice cream or like frozen ice. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Flurry through this, like this extrusion like manifold thing, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a bunch of like tubes that form into the shape of each, like color fill, like the eyes, the eye white, the, so you have to like go through the wall of another to go through the wall of another tube and say like injecting, you know, frozen ice, uh, the flow rate.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, now you have to meter the flow rates because what happens if you don't blow the whites of the eyes fast enough or too fast, you're going to get bulging yeah and so the shape of the, you know, of sponge while we're the characters is like critically sensitive to the flow rate.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, of the of the ice and I'm assuming like all the other factors I go into is like a big machine like a big kind of a somebody like that and then they like they extrude like this fourth dimensional just tube of sponge ball. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then they and then they slice it and then the space comes out of it because I so I figured this out I was like researching because I really I thought it would be fun to make a open sauce robot head ice cream pop. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I realized that it was basically impossible, like the, like looking at a picture these molds John search, um, like ice pop extrusion mold or something like you know with the laser cutter and the laser engraver I bet you're going to see a picture this Kevin and you're going to say no I bet we could do it with the laser cutter like a stack of a bunch of plates with channels in them. [SPEAKER_02]: That's interesting idea.

[SPEAKER_00]: Huh, yeah, you could probably do it like how they do fuel injection on rocket engines kind of thing like basically just like make a God, that's a big machine. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, let's see. [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see. [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, if there. [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, it's going to look like a weird horn. [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to look like a really fucked up Trump hit the actual mold. [SPEAKER_02]: You know when you look at a mold and you're like, Oh, that's $20,000.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: That's what these the sponge Bob molds look like like 20 plus thousand. [SPEAKER_00]: That's insane. [SPEAKER_00]: And then the song for a dollar imagine tubes inside of tubes inside of tubes. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's what the molds are. [SPEAKER_02]: Like you have to deliver ice cream inside of like do that's like several color group that's like jet engine like you injection technology do it. [SPEAKER_02]: It's crazy.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, looking at this I realize there's a whole world of manufacturing for something so stupid that goes completely unappreciated and then also the cooling power to cool that that ask your ass as it's being extruded. [SPEAKER_02]: Temperature is one of the worst things to control accurately. [SPEAKER_02]: It's so slow. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the gradient front like to get into the center of that extrusion.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know like what the sensitivity did you find anything gone? [SPEAKER_00]: Packed cruise ships. [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe, maybe catch a P.T. [SPEAKER_02]: can help with this. [SPEAKER_02]: Ice, but I was fine. [SPEAKER_00]: It's okay, Nigel. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, okay, Nigel. [SPEAKER_02]: Ask, okay, chat, G.P.T. [SPEAKER_02]: What is the, what? [SPEAKER_02]: What is the machine that makes character ice pops? [SPEAKER_02]: Is that what it was?

[SPEAKER_02]: Extrusion. [SPEAKER_02]: Character ice pops. [SPEAKER_02]: Extrusion. [SPEAKER_02]: There's not a lot of pictures online either. [SPEAKER_04]: Hmm. [SPEAKER_04]: It's secret. [SPEAKER_04]: Can you get a picture of like the actual knowledge though? [SPEAKER_04]: or the extrusion, the die, that would you call when you're making SpongeBob Ice Pop? [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and then what do you parasol to pump it? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that would make the most sense.

[SPEAKER_00]: Does that's pretty controllable? [SPEAKER_02]: You're like just driving with like relatively high pressure and high accuracy. [SPEAKER_02]: It's like frozen slurry, but then you have to like cool it as it's coming out, right? [SPEAKER_02]: Because you, but you need to be like soft so that it merges, but then it needs to be like cool so it doesn't settle or like sag, which it does.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and as the outside freezes and the inside isn't frozen, yeah, you're probably going to get some weird like mixing effects as it's still being extruded through the mold. [SPEAKER_02]: So then my question is like, how would you even make something like this because you're essentially building a machine that like only works if you're making 400 popsicle right.

[SPEAKER_02]: Because like, even getting it started, you're going to be wasting like gallons of, you know, ice cream or ice pop ice, what do you call just sugar water that's right until you can get it to They blows. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, stabilize because it's going to be like that outside is going to freeze and the inside is going to be frozen. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's just going to be pumping out liquid.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, they I think you would like you would pre you would treat it like a plate like right up against the extrusion and then like the plate moves as it extrudes, right? [SPEAKER_00]: You could probably do that. [SPEAKER_02]: My guess is it just My guess is I get the ice flurry like cold enough that it's like a normal or like or does it extrude upwards. [SPEAKER_02]: No, I think outside ways.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: It's imagine like if you took like a slurpy, but like made it even colder. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I'm gonna do SpongeBob pops feels like how many colors are on it. [SPEAKER_02]: Alright, so you've got, when a SpongeBob popsicle, you have got, well, tonight, now you can start to see the sacrifices that they have. [SPEAKER_02]: Is this really what they look like? [SPEAKER_02]: Jesus Christ, as far as... No!

[SPEAKER_02]: We're talking about like how much... Maybe none of them ever look. [SPEAKER_02]: They just, they look like a... Yeah, I'm blue shit. [SPEAKER_02]: You see this, Nigel? [SPEAKER_02]: I'm looking. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he looks amazing right because you can see you've got like you've got yellow, but in the yellow is white for the eyes white for the teeth. [SPEAKER_02]: And then you have white for his like jacket. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's like suit.

[SPEAKER_02]: But then you have red, but then they merge the red with the mouse to save another channel and so you have like 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, it is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 channels. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's a big cool. [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you can just make a small one that extrudes it like a popsicle instead of like the big flat one you could just do like a small popsicle my idea had was to make.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, now that I think what like make like a vertical moldy just freeze for the problem was that is like how do you get everything to bind together because you need it to be like it's like a like you need the ice like freeze together. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, here what is this. [SPEAKER_02]: Don't find a video of power puff girl popsicle. [SPEAKER_02]: So there's the slicer. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you can see the like the tube. [SPEAKER_02]: But where's the extruder?

[SPEAKER_02]: They don't show. [SPEAKER_02]: Is this like proprietary? [SPEAKER_02]: They don't want to tell you. [SPEAKER_02]: They don't want to show you the class. [SPEAKER_02]: It's like impossible to make that I can't see anything. [SPEAKER_02]: You can look like you send me the link. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and I don't the link is it. [SPEAKER_02]: You look like the blue one. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Blossom bubbles. [SPEAKER_00]: Buttercup.

[SPEAKER_02]: than Professor, actually, that's my favorite. [SPEAKER_00]: And Mojo, Jojo, Jojo. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, the bread monkey. [SPEAKER_02]: Um, you're pops on board. [SPEAKER_02]: I'll see then this one, this plus bunch of all would doesn't have a bridge to the mouth. [SPEAKER_02]: Is this like a bunch of pirated, popsicle factories? [SPEAKER_00]: Wait, those look epic. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I want to find a character pop. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to figure this out.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know what you could do is you could make like say a like one and a half inch like base of this mold and you can make like a bunch of pixels. [SPEAKER_00]: So imagine having like you know like one like them pops to go printing. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly. [SPEAKER_00]: And then you could like do like a RGB basically. [SPEAKER_00]: like mixing as it's going into these like micro channels and extruding down the path.

[SPEAKER_00]: So then like you have a popsicle and then as you're eating it, it's like sponge Bob is like dancing. [SPEAKER_02]: If it's like one of the long popsicles, you'd have to, you could probably do it slow or you'd probably need to continue to flow for it to be like contiguous like bonded together. [SPEAKER_00]: So that means you need a hundred parallel herostaltic pumps. [SPEAKER_00]: That's not bad.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then you'd have to like mix in the color on the fly that would be hard, but you would need. [SPEAKER_02]: So depending on the flow rate. [SPEAKER_02]: No, if the pixels are the same, the flow rates the same. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but mixing the colors would be like you would need. [SPEAKER_04]: Holy shit. [SPEAKER_04]: No, this isn't possible. [SPEAKER_00]: I also had a brain blast moment to find it. [SPEAKER_00]: What if I made the work. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a let's go.

[SPEAKER_02]: Got to listen to. [SPEAKER_00]: Kevin what if you used like an inkjet nozzle like a and and then you fed ice cream through it to make the world's smallest Dipendots You know like microscopic dipendots It'd be like sand ice cream Which jet I don't know just an idea just an idea But it'd be like the caviar of dipendots The cat General [SPEAKER_04]: general on a recording room general really. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I sent some pictures in general. [SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[SPEAKER_02]: Have you guys ever seen how a lot you know from a see this is this is this is clear. [SPEAKER_02]: This is a fucking horrendous Mickey Mouse here. [SPEAKER_02]: Look. [SPEAKER_00]: Show me. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Look at this. [SPEAKER_00]: Whoa. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's crazy, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Dude, it's like a rocket engine. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: All the poses and tubes.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like flow rates and temperature, like accurate temperature control. [SPEAKER_02]: Like there's actually like some bizarre, like nozzle flow. [SPEAKER_02]: Like look at the mouth. [SPEAKER_02]: Do you look at the shape of the mouth? [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's like, oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like what's the meaning for it is? [SPEAKER_00]: How much money does that cost? [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: That would be my guess, too. [SPEAKER_02]: Like the all the welding all the stainless. [SPEAKER_02]: This is like a high quality like kind of machine work. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but like what of this is being even machined. [SPEAKER_02]: It almost looks handmade. [SPEAKER_02]: Like the mouth like how do you make the mouth. [SPEAKER_02]: How do you do that?

[SPEAKER_02]: I would say CNC, you can't see, look how, but it's like a long, it's like, there's no multiplication, yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Someone's like rolling it. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: And like hammering it, like I genuinely think that a large part of this is hand made. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, and then like welded on the back or something, but then there's like multi-layers, too.

[SPEAKER_01]: The first thing that I thought of too when I was looking at the power puff video is, it's, that whole system is fully custom. [SPEAKER_02]: Like you're not just gonna, the whole, the whole, I mean, I guess I think that you, you basically look, you got like, how many zones? [SPEAKER_02]: There's the ears, Arizona, you have the face and the mouth. [SPEAKER_02]: So that's like one, two, three, four, five zones. [SPEAKER_02]: And then you look at the, oh my god, what are those?

[SPEAKER_02]: Those are like, [SPEAKER_02]: Balves or is it like land just yeah, so there should be like one, but there's like there's a lot more maybe there's like a mounting one to is that a nozzle this is a fuss like one to And then the two small ones up top are probably like the eyes. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, three and then maybe the two on the bottom are for the nose or the the mouth. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: Does that that looks like it would be fuck or do they put like a gum ball for his nose or something? [SPEAKER_00]: I want to see somebody put like oxygen and hydrogen through that instead. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so here's another picture. [SPEAKER_02]: Let me just send you the link. [SPEAKER_02]: We're now just in this.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I should, I want to, I want to, I want to email them and ask them how much this could cost like a cost of one and I know I would even mortify it at the price. [SPEAKER_02]: Because then like I don't, I don't even think they would do it. [SPEAKER_02]: Do you have to be, you know what, imagine telling them that you want to make one of these and you want to make 10,000 popsicle. [SPEAKER_02]: They would laugh at you. [SPEAKER_02]: How does they get the stick in there?

[SPEAKER_02]: That's the easy part. [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's just shove it in afterwards. [SPEAKER_02]: I think the contiguous like, yeah, the fourth dimensional sponge Bob just gets like reamed. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think if you asked them, it would be bizarre. [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like when I was buying all the magnet stuff from the Chinese companies. [SPEAKER_01]: And they wouldn't stop asking me like where my customers were.

[SPEAKER_01]: How many, they said, how many magnets do you want to produce per day? [SPEAKER_01]: And you're like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, I don't have any customers. [SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, but you plan to scale up, yes, like they just didn't understand that there was no, yeah, like, so I find that like if you did with the popsicle stuff, too, you'd be like, no, no, we're just doing this for like a video or like for fun. [SPEAKER_01]: They'd be like, what?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a lot of those people make their company says we're a research group, but a lot of those like something.

[SPEAKER_01]: a lot of the mold making companies and like when I worked with one of the candy companies that makes the candy molds they're just they they have such a like established clientele that I don't know and they've been doing it for so long that I feel like if you come at them as a youtube person or just as like you know some independent person just wants like for research purposes yeah they'll just be they will not do it but they'll be very confused

[SPEAKER_04]: I can't find, I'm thinking mouse. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, none of them that look exactly like the mold. [SPEAKER_02]: But what do they call this conceptual compliant cool? [SPEAKER_02]: You don't need to put that on your website. [SPEAKER_02]: Data Engineering Designs and Integrates automated process equipment for novelty ice cream production. [SPEAKER_02]: This is in the United States. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, this feels, yeah, turn, that's what it is. [SPEAKER_02]: That's my turn.

[SPEAKER_02]: They turned 2D drawings of novelty cartoon characters into 3D design suitable for extrusion and production. [SPEAKER_01]: I guess that doesn't necessarily mean ice cream, right? [SPEAKER_02]: Or does that mean ice cream or these like ice, ice, pop? [SPEAKER_02]: Or is designed using parametric models? [SPEAKER_02]: Wow, to ensure they need delivery and production requirements and work the first time.

[SPEAKER_02]: Wow. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, and there's a single flavor multi-flavor log products and what that means really nothing interesting on this page. [SPEAKER_02]: You'll see sanitary redesign automation. [SPEAKER_00]: Do they have like a portfolio? [SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, there's like a Darth Vader one that's the only other picture. [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see it. [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, done with PDF. [SPEAKER_02]: Is there more is it just the website in PDF form?

[SPEAKER_02]: It's the website in PDF form. [SPEAKER_02]: That's exciting. [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_02]: Services case studies about us. [SPEAKER_02]: They're in Texas. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, very cool. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So much engineering that goes into that just for like a novelty. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and that's not even the same. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't even taste good.

[SPEAKER_02]: No. [SPEAKER_01]: It's even like, I feel like the amount of work that goes into novelties. [SPEAKER_01]: I always, I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I always think it's so weird, even like the other day. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I should preface this. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not a degenerant. [SPEAKER_01]: I was buying a scratch card. [SPEAKER_01]: And just like the technology, I don't know how scratch cards made.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just like a bunch of work, I've probably pretty cheap honestly, but a bunch of work has been put into like randomized everything, hide it behind little whatever have bar codes for it.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then all you do is just kind of [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, and then rip it up and then you really had it just awesome in the garbage exactly like it's just this it's just like a trick your lottery system I guess right like yeah, even like kids toys are so involved, you know, like the molds like the transformers stuff. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: If anybody listening to this has like any proximity to a factor that make ice thoughts, please go there's no way there.

[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely. [SPEAKER_02]: You think? [SPEAKER_02]: No. [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe somebody has one component that one of these companies uses is ice cream. [SPEAKER_00]: These made here are they more like Mexico. [SPEAKER_00]: The pops themselves. [SPEAKER_00]: Huncho and Mexico. [SPEAKER_02]: Wait, actually. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, let me see. [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like this feels like the kind of thing that would be made next. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why I feel like that way.

[SPEAKER_02]: Ice, novelty, ice, Bob. [SPEAKER_01]: Own, own, Bob. [SPEAKER_01]: But then they have to like transport it frozen. [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that adds to the different lines. [SPEAKER_01]: Nothing that industry does makes any sense. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's why they're all, I think John said that's why they're all kind of messed up by the time they get here. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, what they've been like thine.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Oh. [SPEAKER_02]: It's pretty bad, these eyes are all stroke Bob. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm going to put this in my favorite sponge Bob messed up sponge Bob's into the chat, John, all right there's that one. [SPEAKER_04]: This one's pretty good too. [SPEAKER_04]: It doesn't even look like sponge Bob. [SPEAKER_04]: Wow, Jesus Christ. [SPEAKER_02]: This was even worse. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god, it's like shock at the end.

[SPEAKER_00]: What did they do to pour a sponge Bob? [SPEAKER_04]: Um, we're gonna see like the packet. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, how do I, how do I, is it, isn't it kind of crazy that the entire purpose of the sponge Bob pops is that you're getting something in the shape of something, but then they just literally don't care. [SPEAKER_01]: It turns out. [SPEAKER_01]: They're just like, they're just like, oh, this one's like a complete abomination ship it.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you're like, but isn't the point of it that you put the effort into make it the right shape. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, do the F, they put effort into salad and make as much money as possible. [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm, they don't care about the art. [SPEAKER_02]: They don't care about scoring children for life. [SPEAKER_02]: Where is the thing that says where they're made? [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think what's the profit on these?

[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think it's worth it because it's like, [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, do you feel like it makes more money than just like a generic rocket pop if they can sell a bunch of them. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, for sure. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I honestly think them being all like messed up, probably half the value and people buying them like that's what I would buy is you have a couple.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then people post pictures of other people want to, you know, get one as a joke. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I kind of want one now. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't see where to go. [SPEAKER_02]: So they're not even incentivized to do good. [SPEAKER_02]: I want to figure out where these are made, where are Pufficle, where are we? [SPEAKER_00]: We're just going to have to go to the gas station after this and get one.

[SPEAKER_00]: Do they even fell in here? [SPEAKER_00]: Probably. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, in gas stations. [SPEAKER_00]: Kind of kind of thing. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like I only see them in like, I never see ice cream truss around here. [SPEAKER_02]: In like the part of town that you're like a little scared to be in. [SPEAKER_02]: Not like, and them manufactured in facilities in the United States and Canada, it's not Mexico. [SPEAKER_02]: This is my God.

[SPEAKER_02]: You're getting it from us. [SPEAKER_02]: Here we go. [SPEAKER_02]: Magnum ice cream company. [SPEAKER_02]: Wait, does everyone next bunch of popsicles? [SPEAKER_02]: Um, nutrition and ingredients. [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, it's just reviews. [SPEAKER_02]: Why would an ice cream company have reviews on their website? [SPEAKER_02]: That's weird. [SPEAKER_00]: Who? [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, Magnum Ice Cream.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like, do you think anybody is actually going to Magnum Ice Cream to leave reviews on their website? [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: I do. [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, popsicle says, hey, there. [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for sharing your thoughts just on the way. [SPEAKER_00]: Is it all the really bad. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no. [SPEAKER_02]: It's this person of popsicle. [SPEAKER_02]: That's popsicle responding of popsicles owned by Magnum.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God, it's like one company owns everything. [SPEAKER_02]: This guy's complaining that his punch punch will puff, but no eyes. [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, this guy, this phenomenal, do not underestimate this popsicle. [SPEAKER_02]: It is the most incredible outstanding piece of art. [SPEAKER_00]: Bob sickle. [SPEAKER_00]: Bob sickle. [SPEAKER_02]: Scary. [SPEAKER_02]: Look at nothing like sponge Bob huge. [SPEAKER_02]: He even came with frozen broken popsicle sticks stuck into it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Although it gave us a laugh feels like such a waste of money. [SPEAKER_02]: Would not recommend. [SPEAKER_00]: We have money. [SPEAKER_00]: They're like what $4. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sure they'll buy now. [SPEAKER_02]: He was buying us. [SPEAKER_02]: I like it. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go in [SPEAKER_01]: He did say gives him a good laugh, so you are right that people aren't buying them because are good. [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of his complaints are about them not having eyes.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think it's time we go through this bag. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we're going to talk. [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to talk shit about Kevin now. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Kevin's a fucking hoarder. [SPEAKER_00]: Me, what this is, this was you tracked me into this. [SPEAKER_00]: You called me this morning and you said, hey, there is a, a yard sale basically. [SPEAKER_00]: They're giving away home and stuff. [SPEAKER_02]: Whenever beer and you're like, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: I have never had a beer before. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if I would like it. [SPEAKER_02]: And then you drink a 30 rack in six hours. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, your dad was his word. [SPEAKER_00]: He's the one that found it. [SPEAKER_00]: So I think he shares most of the blame. [SPEAKER_00]: You're his son. [SPEAKER_00]: So I see where you get it from. [SPEAKER_02]: I know.

[SPEAKER_02]: There was nothing they're good enough to have warranted us driving 20 minutes to get somebody somebody got divorced. [SPEAKER_02]: and they like just left the house. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: And the realtor has to deal with it and somebody that I know or like a neighbor that I know is like, hey, they're like trying to get out a bunch of crap. [SPEAKER_02]: So it's not even a garage sale. [SPEAKER_02]: So we just like went into these just like garage.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was a garage sale when we were going there. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure. [SPEAKER_00]: I brought some money. [SPEAKER_02]: Imagine like how you would get rid of the stuff in your garage. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: But here is like nobody wants to deal with it. [SPEAKER_02]: The realtor just wanted it gone so she could show the house.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: And so we went there and it was it was like walking you know time capsule from high school like it was computers that like I would have had when I was oh yeah like in the 2006 so many devices. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I found like did like a bag of old cell phones like a bunch of yeah, you took an old computer. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, and this computer from 2006 is going to be good. [SPEAKER_02]: It'll be better, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: I grabbed like four laptops, too. [SPEAKER_00]: Then two thousands have real processors, not mobile processors. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, a mobile model processor is faster than the computer that you had when you were growing up. [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't get any way. [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm in this shit. [SPEAKER_00]: So I found this. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, these people are kind of preppers in some degree. [SPEAKER_00]: Wait, was the bag free, too? [SPEAKER_00]: Everything was free.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's no way. [SPEAKER_02]: It was like, [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Kevin already win it. [SPEAKER_00]: There was no one. [SPEAKER_02]: I know there were the only people there. [SPEAKER_02]: The realtor wasn't even there. [SPEAKER_00]: That's not you know, Scott one of these two. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god. [SPEAKER_02]: Already winning. [SPEAKER_02]: It's like this is a going downhill. [SPEAKER_02]: You know, this is you see this in the bag in this proper bag.

[SPEAKER_02]: Nigel, you know, this is official. [SPEAKER_02]: Is that a piss jog? [SPEAKER_02]: It's a piss jog. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was going to say is that a pjag. [SPEAKER_02]: It's a pjag. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Why? [SPEAKER_02]: Where does a p-jug come in prepping? [SPEAKER_00]: So, so these people, they had like this little shed in their dry. [SPEAKER_00]: It was full of supplies. [SPEAKER_02]: Like there was five gone buckets, labeled beans and rice.

[SPEAKER_00]: Beans rice, noodles, dog food, um, life straws, camping equipment. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And then like a medical bag. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So I kind of wanted to go through it. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, once I saw the piss drug, I knew that we struck gold. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: Liquid gold. [SPEAKER_00]: Liquid gold. [SPEAKER_00]: The point. [SPEAKER_00]: So wait. [SPEAKER_01]: I have a question. [SPEAKER_01]: I have a question first.

[SPEAKER_01]: So the person got divorced and then they abandoned their will to survive, which is why their survival stuff is left behind. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. [SPEAKER_02]: okay just okay so apparently the guy was like 400 pounds also which is really funny That like you prep and you have all this medical stuff when arguably the best thing you could do for an apocalypse So just be to not be 400 pounds.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but that but you can literally your shoulders Yeah, but yeah So do it right maybe that's why he got fat, you know Planning for the evening all just in case probably only lasts a couple of years and see if it eat it all of the Yeah before it expires

[SPEAKER_02]: Imagine going to a garage sale and all the stuff cost $2 and you don't buy any of it because it's trash But instead it's free and so you take a bunch of it and then you regret it and then we regret it on the way yeah, including this this prepper medical bag Well, I just got this because I thought you know, we could talk about it on the first things. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm trying to like Actually only reason okay first things first starting up with a piss jug [SPEAKER_02]: That's, I don't really have anything else to say about this is that's a $10 find good. [SPEAKER_00]: So how much pain are you in back sheet? [SPEAKER_00]: Oh wow. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: So the person who's carrying this bag around who's using it to save themselves. [SPEAKER_02]: Are you fucking serious? [SPEAKER_02]: This was a pre-built kit, wasn't it?

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it has conversions way to translate from Spanish to English pain. [SPEAKER_00]: How is your pain today? [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, my pain's 10 on 10. [SPEAKER_01]: Psychological or physical. [SPEAKER_01]: Ouch. [SPEAKER_01]: Look, look, look at my face. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's a 10. [SPEAKER_00]: That's a dumb face. [SPEAKER_00]: All right. [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm good. [SPEAKER_00]: It has to, uh, so here's a bunch of different medicines.

[SPEAKER_00]: Here's, like, morphine. [SPEAKER_00]: They have hydrocodone acetaminopine. [SPEAKER_00]: In here, and no, I don't know, and you can like use this to say like this dosage equals this dosage or no, you just give me the full thing. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: This is too complicated. [SPEAKER_00]: Let me take all the pills. [SPEAKER_00]: Just take one of these open this. [SPEAKER_02]: All right. [SPEAKER_02]: I got a little black zipper bag here.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to open it. [SPEAKER_02]: There's some ASMR is dipping in the microphone. [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm good. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm opening. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's a blood pressure monitor. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you know that music come with this doesn't scope there might be one in here maybe like I don't know how to use this and I don't know what the results mean. [SPEAKER_02]: Why would a prepper have this is some as seen on TV.

[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, maybe this isn't I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: This is a I just pulled a bag out of the bag it says nasal oxygen pen will. [SPEAKER_00]: What does like got the little like barbs that you put in your nose when you're on Oxford, maybe this is just like it's like an EMT bag. [SPEAKER_00]: What's he in nurse. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't hold. [SPEAKER_02]: And old mass here's it just it's not a little pepper bag we just work van you geez medical use guidelines for hospice patients.

[SPEAKER_01]: What is that's not even are you sure this person's a prepper really just literally working in like hospice or something. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's a lot of old bandages in here like the kind that you would get on your farm after you get what. [SPEAKER_02]: Call as you therapy included in the per dime. [SPEAKER_02]: chloropromosine 12 milligrams of 50 milligrams every four to six hours. [SPEAKER_02]: Stitch remover. [SPEAKER_02]: Stitch remover. [SPEAKER_02]: Staple's remover.

[SPEAKER_02]: Four skin piercer. [SPEAKER_00]: Prince Albert installer. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Another how is your pain today pain scale from happy face to Nigel face? [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, always every day is another Nigel day. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, another black bag. [SPEAKER_02]: What's in this one? [SPEAKER_02]: Is this another blood pressure monitor? [SPEAKER_02]: I put the other one on the ground. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, what's in this white box?

[SPEAKER_00]: I think I know this isn't. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a blood pressure monitor. [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, that's awesome. [SPEAKER_00]: What is this? [SPEAKER_02]: We were just like, end up with like a nurses like go bag that has like 12 blood pressure monitors in it. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm going to dig. [SPEAKER_02]: What's this? [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, no batteries. [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, 25% acetic acid. [SPEAKER_02]: Really? [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: No, 0.25% of city gas did.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is not very exciting. [SPEAKER_02]: This is actually like less. [SPEAKER_02]: What is this? [SPEAKER_02]: This is like sterilized water. [SPEAKER_02]: Tames a glacial exceeded gas. [SPEAKER_02]: And what does that mean? [SPEAKER_02]: Pure, pure, not for injection or trans your ethereal search. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I would. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if it's, if it's glacial, I would definitely not get that on your skin. [SPEAKER_01]: What is, what is trans, don't smell it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Why? [SPEAKER_02]: No, it's 25, it's 0.25% as you guys said. [SPEAKER_00]: What would you do? [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's a great show. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's not for trans urethal surgery for sure. [SPEAKER_00]: Tell you that. [SPEAKER_00]: Here's a, like, I found a little bag that's kind of a house matte biohazard cleanup for bodily food. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sensing any cohesion in this go bad.

[SPEAKER_00]: I found a book that's wound and skin care reference guide. [SPEAKER_00]: a valuable resource for the physician and clinician. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and it's, if my doctor pulls that book out as I'm bleeding out on the table, I'm just going to fucking do my job. [SPEAKER_00]: Could you imagine a vainous ulcer assessment? [SPEAKER_00]: How to perform a [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's funny because they've always provide those books, but it's like anybody who you want to be working on.

[SPEAKER_01]: You should never be ready to do them. [SPEAKER_02]: That's a very funny prank for a doctor to talk about. [SPEAKER_02]: I got these droppers that are like a screw on lid, but like there's no bottles for dip and dot. [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, there's a black bag doing with swimming. [SPEAKER_00]: Some of that 3M, the micro portate. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, this is like just like loose. [SPEAKER_00]: Our notes, nurses, clinical pocket guide. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, what?

[SPEAKER_02]: How to kill your patients? [SPEAKER_00]: We'll be GUI aunt. [SPEAKER_02]: There's just loose guys, loose masks, the plastic bag for specating yourself when you realize that the apocalypse not worth trying to live through. [SPEAKER_02]: All right, what's in the front pouch? [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, the mother of God, what is this? [SPEAKER_00]: Whoa, I feel like this is like a nurse's kind of home health hit. [SPEAKER_04]: Is it?

[SPEAKER_02]: But like, it's way beyond the first eight days. [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, let's stuff this go. [SPEAKER_00]: I can take your blood pressure now. [SPEAKER_02]: Hell yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, this I have this a pen thing. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what it does. [SPEAKER_00]: There's like a glove covered in. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, that's definitely smooth. [SPEAKER_02]: It's a flashlight that doesn't work. [SPEAKER_02]: That's exciting. [SPEAKER_02]: What's that?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like a needle. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no. [SPEAKER_00]: It's for oral use only also know your ethers know your ethers surgery. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I found a cool little mechanism. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what this is this looks like danger. [SPEAKER_02]: What is this? [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, this looks exciting. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, is that like a lance for for diabetic needles? [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm afraid to touch it. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, press that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Uh-huh. [SPEAKER_04]: Where's the needle go? [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: Where does it come out? [SPEAKER_00]: It comes out. [SPEAKER_02]: No. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, there's no needle in it, right? [SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, but why it springs out towards me. [SPEAKER_02]: But it says, Unistic to Owen Mumforth. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, well, that's another dropper is nothing cool. [SPEAKER_02]: I was hoping we get like one of the things that would what sort of the heart starters.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, a different related. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a different, different, different. [SPEAKER_00]: Let's see. [SPEAKER_00]: I found a, well, that would be a thermometer. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, that's nice. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's a lot of the one to like extra protective coverage. [SPEAKER_02]: This is fucking trash. [SPEAKER_02]: There's no drugs. [SPEAKER_02]: And no, you're ether surgery too. [SPEAKER_00]: Is there any of that like iodine stuff? [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the iodine swab.

[SPEAKER_00]: Those are nasty. [SPEAKER_02]: Why? [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_02]: Just to be open. [SPEAKER_02]: I have trauma. [SPEAKER_02]: You have trauma from an iodine swab? [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: You want to relive the thick strength? [SPEAKER_00]: I used to have the... [SPEAKER_00]: I have to... [SPEAKER_00]: I was a medical assistant, like, right after college, and I helped a doctor, and I had to put a million swabs on people every day.

[SPEAKER_00]: Where, where part of their body? [SPEAKER_00]: Their knees for their knee injections. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh. [SPEAKER_02]: That's not so bad. [SPEAKER_00]: So that's how we learned how to take blood pressure, too. [SPEAKER_00]: You're only to take your blood pressure. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, take my blood pressure, then. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I'm going to open the iodine swab. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh fuck it's everywhere. [SPEAKER_02]: That's why I hate it. [SPEAKER_04]: It stains everything.

[SPEAKER_00]: Fuck, fuck. [SPEAKER_04]: Ah, no worries. [SPEAKER_00]: There he is. [SPEAKER_00]: Is any of that absorbent? [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's some random gauze in here, but you want to do it. [SPEAKER_00]: Just like juice out everywhere.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's rancid you this is what you would use yes mirror i would smear like all over their knees i would smear it all over their knees before an injection this looks like a piece of dog shit on a straw yeah and it stands to i put some money really yeah i draw heart. [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_02]: How long does it take this? [SPEAKER_00]: Oh instantly. [SPEAKER_02]: Fuck, what do I do with this now?

[SPEAKER_00]: Also, it will come out though, because it's iodine, it evaporates from clothes and stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: All right, okay, let me see. [SPEAKER_00]: What size is this? [SPEAKER_00]: Left arm, sphigo, manometer. [SPEAKER_04]: Get shit. [SPEAKER_02]: How do you, how do you do blood pressure? [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you don't know how to do it. [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's well, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, is this the manual one where you got to squeeze and listen.

[SPEAKER_01]: How do you do it and how do you take blood pressure. [SPEAKER_01]: You're right here. [SPEAKER_00]: There's a little sign that says this is where your artery goes and so you want to align this with your artery, which is right here. [SPEAKER_00]: Basically it's like in in your elbow. [SPEAKER_00]: Inside your elbow. [SPEAKER_02]: Inside of my elbow. [SPEAKER_04]: To the goal is you know how to Kevin, do you actually how to do this?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: He just wrap it around. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's tight. [SPEAKER_02]: You feel like a professional. [SPEAKER_00]: OK. Then when you hold this pulse and you like listen, that's the case. [SPEAKER_00]: What I'm going to do is I'm going to pump this up. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going to basically cut off the circulation to your arm. [SPEAKER_00]: OK. That's cool. [SPEAKER_00]: And then I listen with this death of scope right here.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Jesus. [SPEAKER_00]: Or your blood flow to come back. [SPEAKER_00]: So I listen when your blood can make it through the pressure. [SPEAKER_00]: Like as I pump it up in a slowly release the pressure. [SPEAKER_00]: And once you hear it, and once I hear your heart, [SPEAKER_00]: That means that your blood pressure is equal to. [SPEAKER_00]: That's cool. [SPEAKER_01]: But that gets your high blood pressure.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like the, because you have the, the, yeah, you know what I mean? [SPEAKER_01]: Like the high blood pressure. [SPEAKER_00]: Your sister, and then the, yeah, that, that's just, that's just when you can stick to it. [SPEAKER_00]: That's what you can like no longer hear the heart in, what's it, something? [SPEAKER_00]: Cause it's like the blood going in and out. [SPEAKER_02]: How long can you leave it pumped up for? [SPEAKER_02]: From Aaron falls off.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, probably like at least it. [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, does it work on people's necks? [SPEAKER_00]: Once. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a step up it up. [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to go to like this is when we'll find out, but it's a lot of freshers under it. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go to 180 because you probably don't have to get me with the 300 and you can get to 300. [SPEAKER_04]: Fuck. [SPEAKER_00]: All right, not quiet. [SPEAKER_04]: Don't.

[SPEAKER_00]: Kevin, the doctor. [SPEAKER_04]: Will you need this because he's he's going to tell you. [SPEAKER_04]: This is when you find out you have really high or really low blood pressure. [SPEAKER_04]: Getting really low on you. [SPEAKER_04]: Man, that is a mean dog. [SPEAKER_04]: Wow. [SPEAKER_04]: What's my blood pressure 40? [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's like 100 over six. [SPEAKER_02]: Is that good or bad? [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you have really good blood pressure.

[SPEAKER_02]: Hit me with the 300. [SPEAKER_00]: You want to feel it? [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I want to take me up to the, to take me max out this dial, and I want to say what it feels like. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, what do we are right now? [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, we're at 120. [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I can take more. [SPEAKER_02]: Get me rip me rip. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: We're going up. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: We're at two 40 and in my field 60 to 80 wrap it around 300.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, you're going to get me. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I can take more. [SPEAKER_00]: I think we've actually cut off all circulation here. [SPEAKER_00]: You think the arm right now. [SPEAKER_02]: I think you're still work. [SPEAKER_02]: How do you think we get the bagged of birth? [SPEAKER_02]: What's the likelihood of permanent damage? [SPEAKER_02]: Holy shit. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that's that feels like something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The turnicates though, Kevin, isn't it if you don't take them off within like several hours, you just your limb died? [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but there's like not really any short term risk is actually. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's just me doesn't really matter, right? [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you have like a few hours. [SPEAKER_00]: until the cells start dying because they don't have any oxygen, but you'd be dead in five minutes without a tourniquet.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is your brain that you need blood frequently. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I only know is that the classic thing they tell you, because when people, you know, get a limb cut off, people pull their belts off to try to make a tourniquet. [SPEAKER_01]: and people say like without a proper like turnic it set up it's really hard to get enough pressure. [SPEAKER_01]: They're like, even if you tighten the belt as tight as you can.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, it's usually not enough. [SPEAKER_01]: Like I think the rule was like, if it's a tightest, you can ever put it on someone's arm. [SPEAKER_01]: Go go more. [SPEAKER_01]: Go even tighter. [SPEAKER_00]: It will's blood pressure. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like you could cut the blood pressure off with a rubber band. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, no, no, no, no, great job, blood pressure is good.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, not too low, but I like I've been, you know, I don't really do too much user experience stuff except maybe a little bit open sauce and but I've been working on the the open sauce 2025 badge to fix it because we.

[SPEAKER_02]: We gave, I don't know, this is, it's a, it's not embarrassing, it is what it is because we did it on our own time for fun, but the badge this year had like a persistence of vision display, right, so it had five LEDs and had a resistor and when you would shake it the resistor was only started on one side and so it would like flat back and forth.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, and the problem was it was never properly explained to people what the circuit on the badge actually did and we didn't have enough time because like you know it's not paid for like we do this like it was just for fun. [SPEAKER_02]: You know, like when the demand is so high and you have like the capacity, it's like, and then we have the badges, did they come pre-programmed at all? [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so the book, the chips for people programs, they've got to solder.

[SPEAKER_02]: So you basically soldered five LEDs, like the whole badge was designed to be as few as few soldered junctions as possible. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then you shape the badge and it says open sauce. [SPEAKER_02]: It's just open sauce when you shake it and there's no accelerometers, just the resistor flapping around in a slot.

[SPEAKER_02]: And the like one of the things you could do is we're trying to like you'll get more sponsors obviously is you can program a custom message onto the badge using your phone so you're like hold you like go to the webbap you hold your phone up to the screen yeah and then it flashes like lack and white right in the photo diode is like watching it and it it like listens and it programs the data into the chip like ones and zero is straight on yeah binary coming through as flashes of light yeah and it did not work very well.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so I learned that it was I'm pretty sure because of the refresh rate on people's phone screens interfering with it. [SPEAKER_02]: So like this like little black line on my Android would like swipe in front of this and certainly it would catch it enough that it would basically like. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so it wasn't like the whole screen just flashes to a new image. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like the screen update and as it updates.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a little black stripper turning pixels off. [SPEAKER_02]: And so like my iPad works like long story short. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like saying like this bad just so cool and like nobody really got to appreciate. [SPEAKER_02]: And so I spent, you know, I don't know, it was way longer than I should have fixing the data transfer. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it would work on some devices. [SPEAKER_00]: Like some phones, most phones it wouldn't work. [SPEAKER_00]: Most phones it wouldn't.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like it's such, it's so like, there's like a whole user experience of like, I gave it to my mom yesterday. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, how, like, I'm like, I'm like, try to figure this out. [SPEAKER_02]: And she was like, I'm like, oh God. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh god, like the mom test. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the mom test, the Chelsea test is sort of the ultimate user experience.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so I've been like trying to figure like, how do you make this thing easy for people to use? [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm slowly realizing that that user experience part of it might actually be harder than the engineering of making a work to begin with. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, how do you make it? [SPEAKER_02]: How do you pass the CEO test? [SPEAKER_02]: They're like, if they can't figure out how to use it in 30 seconds to see, it'll guess it's a good idea.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: That's, that's you with the badge. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: It's, you know what I, yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_02]: I love this. [SPEAKER_02]: So because I imagine like getting to make a cool art project, we worked with a couple of exhibitors from last year, like excessive overkill, they're able to their self-con.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, it's like a, it's really fun to make something that, you know, lots of people are going to play with. [SPEAKER_02]: And it's really frustrating when we like didn't have [SPEAKER_02]: to like, properly explain what it did and how to use it because people have pitched this crazy ideas to do like interactive games where people can like tap their badges on each other and do.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: But it like it ends up being so complicated that I know that I if I went to a place in the badge had this thing and I had to like learn what the rules are just wouldn't do it. [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_00]: And now they can use this after the event too. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: So like, like, yeah, so we can still play with it. [SPEAKER_02]: You could play with it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, that's what we're going to do is like, I have a we haven't we have extra badges that didn't

[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to like have a kit that you can solder that then you can use the web apps like program custom messages into the display and you just shake it like I don't know like it's like a so you wish like a happy meal toy was yeah it's not good and it doesn't serve any like practical purpose I just think it's really cool maybe you can send people one for free if they subscribe to sauce plus [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how to do that.

[SPEAKER_02]: We want to, there's something we want to do that doesn't work. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: We learned, we had this problem. [SPEAKER_02]: So he's like, sauce plus the platform is engineered by LTT line of slightest media group. [SPEAKER_02]: And there's like a problem with like, we can't send anything that gets like a sales email. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know exactly the rules about it. [SPEAKER_02]: But like we can't send an email to subscribers.

[SPEAKER_02]: if it's like sales related. [SPEAKER_02]: It like breaks the terms of service. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's like something like that or like a legal, I don't really know, I don't really understand it. [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's like you can only send people emails and certain situations. [SPEAKER_02]: And so if we did something where if you have a sauce plus account, we like send you an email to say, hey, here is like a code to redeem it. [SPEAKER_02]: That's like not allowed.

[SPEAKER_01]: Is that a Linus thing or like a laws in general, I think if the thought that pops in my head is because like, I wonder if when you sign up, but I guess you could always Maybe there's like this weird thing where it's because you they sign up for a subscription, but then you treat it like a newsletter, so they like that everybody should be able to yeah, but you get to opt in so I guess if you can opt in and there's kind of

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, so then what you have, you'd have to do, otherwise you'd have to make like something in an account page, like a settings page where like reading your code on the website. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: And then I think you could then tell people that you have a code where we have to like do something. [SPEAKER_02]: Janky will figure it out.

[SPEAKER_02]: Web development in this these situations is like it takes longer than I like, like what I'm so used to just like doing stuff very last minute and kind of. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and now there's like steps, you know, it's such that it's not your platform. [SPEAKER_00]: You have to go through them and ask them to implement changes. [SPEAKER_02]: It's like months long past us to get stuff working.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so it's, you know, like what I wanted to do this year was have, you know, like even getting the free sauce plus months, like was a huge fan of it for people to sign up and get free months. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, apparently they didn't have any system in place for that place and so we just promised that we like said it and then we like we're like, oh, we're doing this and then Luke got mad at me, and I was like, I'm sorry.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because you like create this whole new system that allows for free membership is like a very janky thing and I won't do that again, okay, now we have to like plan stuff more in advance. [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, it's like I'm the bad just basically done. [SPEAKER_02]: I have to like fix the UI stuff now and like what I'm hoping for next year is like you get like a sponsor that like sponsors part of the badge and then like on their website is like the programming.

[SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: So then it's like go to digikey.com slash open size and then you just like go get this programming up like I think that would be I was a company I would pay a billion dollars for that. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not, I was just like, I like, I don't know, you don't you get like all these Nicknack. [SPEAKER_02]: There's something weird, you know, doing like YouTube events or like media events, like people just like they give you stuff that you like don't want.

[SPEAKER_02]: You never got invited to VidCon. [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I got invited to open sauce, so I got a lot of stuff I did want. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's sort of how that works. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, like, you know, all the open sauce swag is great. [SPEAKER_02]: Because even even if a company was like, hey, like, I'll leave you a 3D printer. [SPEAKER_02]: You know, like, here's like a coupon to redeem it. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, there's no guarantee I would do that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, nobody's giving away 3D printers of VidCon. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no. [SPEAKER_02]: No, I think Prusa has done that. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, if any, if basically, if any featured, like, once a printer, they'll just, like, I think they did a coupon. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I'm missing anything with VidCon, all right. [SPEAKER_02]: But like, I have, like, I don't, like, I have. [SPEAKER_02]: I already have printers, like I like don't want another one, like I have too many already.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: And so there's sort of this like funny, there's like this, there's this like weird thing where when you get things, you kind of end up like not wanting it or needing it. [SPEAKER_02]: And so like with the badge, specifically, it's like, how do you make something cool that people want to keep? [SPEAKER_02]: Like how do you make some thing that like you don't really need it and you don't really want it, but it's really cool and you want to play with it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you can hang it up, you know, you're room somewhere and keep it around. [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, you know, I'm not like most of the like STEM projects are like that. [SPEAKER_02]: You like, especially like when I was a kid, you were like, keep that and you like, fiddle with everyone's vanilla or yeah, fidget toy, fidget toy. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I'm almost done with that.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's been kind of fun to actually sit down and do a development thing, because I haven't really done that a long time. [SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't really have time to do it. [SPEAKER_02]: And it wouldn't be an interesting video. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's just like sitting here. [SPEAKER_02]: Here's how to transfer data from a phone screen to a circuit board.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've noticed that the way that you build things, anything, it could be, you know, like a freaking like camera amount for it for the office and you build it in such a way that you're expecting like it's going to be mass produced, people are going to be buying it. [SPEAKER_00]: You think of like the user experience and it's like a personal project of yours. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, so now you actually get to do that. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, oh yeah, it feels very good.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the automation so like the button. [SPEAKER_02]: So like you on the badge, there's a button. [SPEAKER_02]: And the way that you go like activate the badge in any way to program it or to turn it on is like you press the button and the micro controller is not reading the button the button literally is connecting battery to the micro controller.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so like there's different modes and like this is what I'm trying to get rid of right now to make it easier to use, but like the way it currently works is. [SPEAKER_02]: to like scroll through the modes of the badge, you press the button, and then the micro controller turns on. [SPEAKER_02]: And then it waits, it adds a value to a piece of memory that's like stored in the e-prong, which is a permanent memory that you're, it's memory that will stay active even power is off.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: And then if after if the board stays on for one second, it clears the memory. [SPEAKER_02]: And so the way that you cycle through the modes of the badges by turning it on for less than a second and then turning it up. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like click click click click click. [SPEAKER_02]: So it turns on.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a value into like into like long term storage and then it shuts off and then it turns on it adds another value and then it like based like when it turns on and it stays on it's like, okay, what's the current value of like the mode that I'm in and then that's the mode it boots up with. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: Um, but like, so like the button, the cover, I mean, to cover for the button because like the little push buttons, like kind of uncomfortable.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like those little black, the little black shit. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Always put something over in a consumer product. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, and so I 3D printed a bunch of like little caps that go over it, right? [SPEAKER_02]: But like, how do you get like a little thing those fit on top of a button reliably? [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, 30 print it and then what you do is like because the button's like a little cylinder coming.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: So you don't want it to like wobble. [SPEAKER_02]: You don't print a cylinder. [SPEAKER_02]: No, you print a cylinder and then like bottom of the rim. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a rim. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: So the room like it like. [SPEAKER_02]: gets like distorted and like it bites on, but because it's only us like one layer of print. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you can still, you can push it. [SPEAKER_02]: You can still push it.

[SPEAKER_02]: So it just sort of like jams it in. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: And it like sticks on beautifully. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, really? [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And so even if you're shaking at it, doesn't want to. [SPEAKER_02]: So now imagine like you're sending it, you know, a little button cap and there's no way to retain it. [SPEAKER_02]: So you go, you got to glue it on.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like that sucks, but now you don't have to glue it on you just shove it on and you don't have to answer an email like like one of the weirdest things I've learned in any of this not weirdest, but like important is like a friend of mine did a kickstarter campaign like over 10 years ago And he got about a bit Jillian emails once he delivered the product because people couldn't figure how to turn the thing on because the silicone cover over the button Yes, too hard of a derometer and so you just had to push it really hard.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, wow [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's been a couple of hours min-maxing, I don't know, I hate having to drill holes and like bugs stuff if I'm going to print it. [SPEAKER_02]: And sometimes I have to just sit down and say like what would Peter's people do. [SPEAKER_00]: words to live by, I'll tell you get stuff done. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, actually. [SPEAKER_02]: Like sometimes you need to do that. [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes you not.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's why like time, that's like we're going to do another sauce that's on coming up. [SPEAKER_02]: And like it'll be on the East Coast in October. [SPEAKER_02]: Really? [SPEAKER_02]: And yes, you should go. [SPEAKER_02]: Nigel. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, where in these coast? [SPEAKER_04]: Connecticut. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that's not that bad. [SPEAKER_01]: Not too far away. [SPEAKER_04]: And it's like, it's 24 hours. [SPEAKER_02]: And so like, you can't min max, you got to do it.

[SPEAKER_02]: You got a Peter Street, we got to put your Peter Street pull hat on. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: You got to, you got to pull out your hot glue gun and your Paris scissors, sacrificial scissors. [SPEAKER_02]: You know that they're only going to look through this one project and then they're done. [SPEAKER_02]: All right, well, thank you guys that we're going to keep going on the extra on Patreon.

[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you to everybody who supports us on Patreon as the only way to save the third. [SPEAKER_02]: This very special episode of Safety or Podcast can keep going. [SPEAKER_02]: That is not a joke genuinely. [SPEAKER_02]: Patreon is it.

[SPEAKER_02]: So if you want us, keep making public podcasts, the patrons or is greatly appreciated and we'll see what is what if they don't want us to continue then they then don't support us on patreon most people that listen to the podcast don't support us on patreon and that I can only draw the conclusion. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they don't want the podcast keep going. [SPEAKER_00]: You're going to make Nigel cry. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: You're making him sad right now.

[SPEAKER_02]: All right. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, see you guys on Patreon. [SPEAKER_02]: We love you. [SPEAKER_02]: I love you, Nigel. [SPEAKER_02]: One day, you're going to slip up. [SPEAKER_00]: That was a level 10 pain that Nigel was in right there. [SPEAKER_00]: You need 50 milligrams of my peddrine. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Bye. [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.