Cinema Beef Podcast : Close Encounters of a Furry Kind and Unconventional Parasol Use (In The Pare Way 6)

What's on your mind? This whole stinking mess and where you fit in. I don't get you. Then I'll spell it out for you. Two days ago, command drops you in my lab, no reason given. Next thing I know, I got a half a spaceship, a six foot tall grasshopper and the crowd of lead on my butt. I know. It's crazy, ain't it? Cough it up, newshound. Who sent you? Army Intelligence. OSS Mike knows about this. Roosevelt too, right? Boy, are you off the beam?

Sure. I had command keep you in the dark, but I came here to write about you. The Iron Sarge. What? It's true, Stone. Whether you like it or not, you're becoming a legend with all these GIs. I've heard you've been killed a dozen. Times, but you always come back. Unless you want your name printed on a pack of lies. You got nothing to print, Dolan. I'm just another dog face fighting this lousy war. The boss has come home. Come on, Dolan, let's head back. What's all this crud

about Mittens decking Hitler? You really did. You should have seen it. Praise the Lord for bringing us this generous bounty. Just give me all the bacon and eggs you have. Wait, wait. I worry what you just heard. Give me a lot of bacon and eggs. What I said was give me all the bacon and eggs you have. Living flesh. I guess that's how citizen meal, huh? Bite me back on the menu. That's why I'm hungry. Each word I say, farther, farther into a radical. See your father, I'd buy that for a dollar.

Not bad for me. Please, I'm trying to combat. Oh, look at me, look at me. I feel like a baby. Seem easily upset. I'm so hungry, Bill. I'm so hungry. I sweet. I never knew anyone want to be so hungry. What about that time I found you naked with that bowl of junk? Hello folks, this is me podcast. I am one of your hosts, Gary Hill. And this is another one of those special shows with a very good friend of mine. And he's here too. You may know him from the After

Movie Diner podcast and the brand new. If you're not listening, I've mentioned it like multiple times on my show that you should be listening to this, the PM Entertainment podcast. Just killing it on there. Mr. John Cross. How you doing, sir? Well, hello there, sir. Good sir. How are you? I am fantastic. I'm raring to go, I'm excited and I am a podcasting fiend. Although the latest episode of the PM Entertainment podcast took a

few days. It will be coming out this weekend and then we will have another one not on Monday, but the following Monday. It's just taken a lot out of me but I'm putting a lot into it so that it's meant to take a lot out of me. And it's, you know, it's busy all over, my friend. It's busy. Things are happening, people are scrambling. So you know, we just do what we can. But it's all good times and I'm excited to be here on the Cinema Beef podcast today.

Always glad to have you, my friend. Always glad to have you. Yeah, we're here today do another one of our in the series of shows of the in the parade way thang if you will. We got a real banger tonight for you but plus a real banger of VHS pick too. Looking forward to getting to all that, but I'll ask my friend John Cross. I don't have much to say about this. Anything good you've been watching lately at all? Oh yeah, I just did an episode on Bedroom Eyes one and two for

the Direct to Video Connoisseur podcast. Should be out on Tuesday. So look for that. Bedroom Eyes one and two, a fascinating, a fascinating double bill. And I can't wait for people to hear that podcast because we go deep, brother. We go deep, deep, deep into the Bedroomize saga and we imagine what might have happened if bedroom eyes 3, 4, 5 and 6 had gone forward. Because there is enough content in bedroomize 1 and 2 to spin it off into several franchise strands.

I. I have to ask who is in Bedroom Eyes one and two that of note. So Bedroom Eyes one no one of note. Zero people of note. Okay, well usually you have like that one that's. Usually you have that one that's always in like those Skin and Max books. Like you may like a Shannon tweet or something like that is in these films to push them, you know. Well, this, well, this is what's interesting about Bedroomize. Bedroomize is from 1984. So it's about 10 years early to the. To the skin, early 90s

soft core offerings. About 10 years early in terms of the, you know, the erotic thrillers. And so it's, it's finding its way. That's why it's such a fascinating movie is it's finding its way and it sort of partly wants to be dressed to kill and partly it wants to be like a bawdy Canadian sex farce kind of thing. It doesn't like tonally. It's all over the place that we talk a lot about the actor Kip Gilman, who is it? Who is in bedroom eyes one and who has one of the best IMDb

bios. Because in his IMDb bio, it's. It starts with. In addition to his extensive film and television work, Kip has been called by critics one of the theater's most important actors. Oh, yeah, Kip Gilman. The famous Kip Gilman. So he's in Bedroomize one. No one of any note. But in Bedroomize two, this is what. This is what I mean about how there should be Bedroomize three, Bedroom Eyes four. Like it.

They take it to the next level in Bedroom Eyes 2. So in Bedroom Eyes 2, they recast the cast of Bedroom Eyes 1 completely. It's same character, same. They extend the world, they extend the storylines, they extend the. But they recast them with wings. Hauser and Linda Blair. So they open the door because they already recast it. Come Part two, they open the door for Part three to be recast to someone else. Part four to be recast to someone else. So, yeah,

we had a field day with these two men. And. And to be honest, you know, if you're interested in seeing sort of the proto 90s erotic thriller, like, if you want to draw a line between Dress to Kill and then the kind of, you know, detective soft core shot in Hollywood, saxophone, heavy. They made that documentary recently, I think, We Kill for Love or whatever. And it was all about the rise of the erotic thriller in the 90s. But. But if you want to draw a direct.

Yeah, no, it's on. Where did I find it? I think I found it on Amazon Prime, Dressed to Kill. It's called We. Sorry, We Kill for Love. And it's a documentary about the early 90s erotic thriller. And it's a bit like In Search of Darkness. It's like four hours long or something. Wow. But. And it's out there. Just take a look. You'll probably find it on Plex

or one of those, like, it's kicking about. Um, but if you want to draw a direct line from some of like De Palma's stuff, like Body Double and Dress to Kill, all the way to sort of the, you know, the Harry Hamlin, Shannon Tweed Deceptions, Scorned, those kind of movies that kind of came out in the late 80s, early 90s, you have to draw a line through bedroom eyes one and two because they. They set it up, man. One came

out in 84, one came out in 89. And some of the themes tropes and even bizarre random characters that they're playing with would become, you know, staples and cornerstones of the. The straight to video erotic thriller before Hollywood got their grubby mitts on it with stuff like Basic Instinct and things. But so we, we do a whole episode on that and that was a lot of fun to watch. Other stuff that I've watched recently, I checked out the early, very early Willem

Dafoe and Judge Reinhardt Reinhold movie. So Willem Dafoe and Judge Reinhold movie Roadhouse 66, which I had on VHS, which I couldn't decide whether it was meant to be set in the 50s or whether they just rocked up to a town in Arizona in the 80s that happened to only drive 50s cars. Because it was one of those movies where you

know how like close in the 80s, early 80s. Like if you saw a guy in denim jeans and a leather jacket like Willem Defoe wears in this movie, he could be from the 50s, but he could be from the 80s. Do. Do you know what I mean? Like, there's some parallels there. And Judge Reinhold just dresses very. Like just a shirt and pants kind of thing. Like, I don't know whether it was meant to be set in the 50s or whether it's meant to be set now, but everyone drives around in 50s

cars. It's set in a little Arizona dust bowl. These two guys rock up. Typical kind of a team scenario. There's a, a bunch of hoodlums and thugs who have got this town scared and just keep trashing things and pushing people off the highway and all this kind of thing. And Reinhold is like this wealthy guy from back east who has to put his privilege and wealth aside in order to tough it out with musical drifter Willem Dafoe. And between the two of them, they're going to set the town right.

And of course there's like a car chase and. Sorry, not a car chase, like a, like a, A race, you know, like a car race kind of thing. And they have to win the race and stuff. So it's, it's, it's, it's a, it's. It's a pretty fun movie. I'm not gonna say that it's four or five out of five. I'm gonna give it a strong three out of five. How about that? It's, it's worth, it's worth popping the VH in if you've got it handy. It's got our, our Deputy Bubba from World Gone Wild in it. You. You know,

Ellen Ary, I just seen it just now. Yeah, no, it does. Yeah. It has a ton of recognizable character actors and what I would call like goon actors. People who are sort of half stunt men, half character actors, you know, or half day players kind of thing. It's got a lot of people who would. You would notice as hench, you know, 80s hench workers from the A team or from action movies. You know what I mean? Totally, totally, totally. Yeah. I just

looked it up. I, I kind of got to check this out now because just for the, the, the, the 80s, because he was doing a lot of that stuff, like the Nameless, I think was a big one back in those days for him. The love. The Loveless. I'm sorry, the, the biker movie he's in. Yeah. And then of course, Streets of Fire is like that. You don't know what time and place is in, but they got like Studebakers and like old, old motorcycles and stuff, you know? Yeah.

I mean, if the, the weird thing is, is the music is sort of rockabilly as well. But then I. I don't know, like, there was definitely people in the movie dressed as if they were in the 80s, so I couldn't. Like, there was definitely things in the movie where I'm like, this is not the 50s. So I could just. I couldn't figure it out. But it was a ton of fun. Apart from that, what else can I say that I watched. I finally got round to watching Heretic, slightly bit of a newer one that I hadn't

seen. So I got round to watching that again. That was good. Yes, it lived up to its height, but I can't say it went much further than that. It sort of lived up to its hype. And I'm like, okay, I get why everyone's, you know, going wackadoo over this movie. It was a. It was a three and a half, four star. Maybe for me, I'm not gonna say it hit. Hit it out of

the park. Exactly. But then I'm a. I'm a grumpy old dude. I've seen a lot of horror movies, so you have to, you have to do something pretty different to, to, you know, get me all surprised and excited. But Hugh Grant was pleasing enough and the setup was very typical. And, you know, you've, you've seen it before, but maybe you haven't seen it in the last, you know, 20 years. So, you know, it was a little refreshing because it had Hugh Grant and came

at it with a slightly modern eye. But in general it was, you know, we've seen it before, but they did it nicely kind of thing. You know what I mean? Did we talk about the Hugo Renaissance that I love so much? I, I forget now, but it's, I'm loving the Hugh Grant Renaissance of him just being in things and being like devious and like these small side roles to where he's just like, he shows up and you're like, yeah, this movie immediately got better because Hugh Grant's,

you know, livid it up. But like, in a small way, you know. Oh, no, I think, I think we have Paddington 2 to thank 110% for the

Hugh Grant Renaissance. While, yes, I know he did movies before Paddington 2 that would fall into the Hugh Grant renaissance, I honestly say, just because Paddington 2, as we learned from the Nick Cage film, the Unbearable Weight of Enormous Talent, as we learned from that movie, Paddington 2 is one of the best three movies that have ever been made and that it is perfect and that it will reduce Pedro Pascal and Nick Cage to tears. And I think because of Hugh Grant's turn in that, I really

do think that carried a lot of good favor for him. And as he then went out into his Renaissance years, I'm in agreement with you, sir. Put Hugh Grant in more things. I'd missed him on the big screen. And, you know, if you ever see Paddington 2, I'm going to talk about something else related to Paddington 2. It is a film in which our raincoated bear gets falsely accused of a crime perpetrated by Hugh Grant, of all people, and goes to prison and

teaches the prisoners how to make marmalade. It gets very singy. And if you can't enjoy this, I don't want to be. Okay. You know. Right, yeah, I'm with you. No, I mean, seriously. And it's, it's, it's funny because that clip from Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent with Pedro Pascal and Nick cage crying over Paddington 2 has been doing the rounds again recently. Listen, I mean, I honestly have to say to people, if you watch Paddington 2 and you don't like Paddington 2,

I'm not sure you're human. Like, I'm not sure that the things that function, that make us anything more than, you know, scurrying backwards, hunchback animals are even in place for you because Paddington 2 is one of the most creatively brilliant, artistically satisfying, emotionally roller coastery. It's, it's. Paddington 2 is an absolute phenomenon. And it, it reminds me, I tell you, how good Paddington 2 is. So good that it reminds me of the first three muppet. Movies.

You know how, like, the first three Muppet movies, they're untouchable. They're, like, just so phenomenally good. You just, like Jim Henson and Frank Oz, immediately become like gods in your house when you see the Muppet Movie for the first time. And then when you see Muppets, Tank Manhattan and Great Muppet Cape, you're just like, oh, they can do no wrong. Oh, clearly, clearly. Like, whatever the Muppets do going forward

is gonna be fantastic. That was until, of course, Disney took them over and diluted the brand. But Anyway, the first three Muppet movies are perfection. Same with Paddington 2. It's on that level. That's how much I like Paddington 2. It's. It's up there with a Muppet movie. And that. That is high praise for me. Indeed. You would say they're getting standing ovations, perhaps. You know, come on now. Right, Exactly. I think it's fantastic. And yeah, so, yeah, big fan of the Pat franchise.

Bedroom wise one and two, Roadhouse 66, Heretic. I just saw, again, I'd seen these movies before, but I just saw Cujo and Grizzly on the big screen at my buddy Scary Larry's CT cult classic screening in Seymour, Connecticut every other month. If you are within the New England area, I would strongly recommend traveling every other month. We do an awesome double bill run by my friend Scary Larry. I'm going to be on his podcast on Monday night talking about Dr.

Jekyll and Mrs. Hyde or whatever the name of the movie. The Hammer Horror Jekyll and Hyde story. I'm gonna be talking about that. I was on talking about the Devil. Devil worshiping one. And I'm gonna forget the name. Not to the devil or Daughter. The other Hammer horror movie, the really good one with Nick. With Christopher Lee. The Devil Rides Out. The Devil Rides Out. I was on. Yeah, I was on Scary Larry and it's the Pint Popcorn. It's the Pinterest pop culture podcast that occasionally

does Scary Larry episodes. And the Scary Larry episodes are all covering Hammer horror films at the moment. And I'm gonna be the guest on those. So we did the Devil Rides Out. Fantastic episode. Check out the Pint pop culture podcast. And then we are going to be covering Dr. Jacqueline. It's either Ms. Hyde, Mrs. Hide or Ms. Hide. I forget. Okay, cool. I. I was thinking Dr. Jekyll and Sister Hyde. That. That's the one I was thinking about. But that's not

a Hammer Horror Sister. No, no, it is Dr. Jekyll and SisterHeight. You're Right. That's the Hamahara one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's. That's Hammer. I thought that was like Roger Corman stuff, like AIP stuff. No, you're right. It's Dr. Jekyll and Sister Hyde. The one that is Dr. Jekyll and Miz Hyde is the one with Sean Young in it from the 80s. I enjoy that movie I watched in so long, but they play it in cable so much back in the day.

And it's from 1995, not the 80s. I'm getting everything wrong today. I'm sorry, I'm getting everything wrong. I'm doing Dr. Jekyll and Sister Height on Monday night. And Dr. Jekyll and Ms. Hyde is a movie with Sean Young from the 90s, also starring Lizette Anthony from soft core erotic Harry Hamlin thriller Save Me, which I covered on the Director Video Connoisseur podcast. Last time we did some erotic thrillers. And she's in Crawl as well, you know, if you want to go non

stop core stuff. You know, she's also in Without. Without. Without a Clue, dude. With Michael Caine and Ben Kingsley. Yes. That's film I still got to watch that you recommended a while ago. I haven't checked it out yet. It's there. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. And back to my watches. Speaking of Paddington too, I watched Paddington in Peru and guess what? Big spoilers. It was delightful. Okay, if you don't know the plot to Paddy in Peru, Pack, this aunt gets

lost. You know, Paddy has to go to Peru to go find her with the. With the family in tow and. And crazy, jaunty, charismatic as flock shipboat captain Antonio Banderas. And if that don't turn you on, I don't know what does. It just. It's just. It's great. Yeah, I saw it in the theater. It's. It's certainly the weakest of the three and could do with some pacing type, you know, tune ups, but it's at it at its core. You are 100, right, Garrett? It is a delight.

And I loved everything about it when they did the little musical number with Olivia Colman, which I won't spoil for people because I'm just gonna say there's a musical number. You and me, Gary, know what it's referencing and know what it's parodying, but I'm not going to spoil it for anybody. When they did that, I was like, oh, are they gonna do little musical numbers throughout the movie? Because I really wanted, like, the Antonio Banderas musical number

and stuff. And I know, they did other stuff with Antonio Banderas with like, his relatives and stuff. Again, I'm not going to give anything away. I'm just going to say relatives and, and move on, which was also a lot of fun. But I could have totally gone for two or three musical numbers throughout the movie that, that would have, like, if they decided to just go full blown musical with it, I would have been very happy.

It was truly. He was truly a highlight of the movie, though. And that's, that's what they give Paddington is that the first, the first three that we got so far has. Has a trio of solid, you know, villains, you know, because he becomes kind of villain the movie. That's the only spoiler I'll give you. But he, he has a redemption arc. You get Nicole Kidman in the first one who just wants to murder Paddington and stuff. Him. Yeah. You get Hugh Grant in the second one and he gets a cameo

in this one. It's hilarious. Yeah. And you get, you get Antonio Banderas in this one. So again, these are all good reasons to watch the Paddington series if you haven't done it yet, you know. Oh, I hope they make 20 of them. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, that first one gets kind of dark. I'm like, man, this, this is just a kids movie. She wants to kill Paddington. What's up with this? Yeah, yeah. But I also.

Like. What I absolutely adore about the Paddington films is that they give, especially the second one and then the first and third one. The first and third one give Julie Waters as like the mad Scottish grandmother a chance to kick ass. And her kicking ass is like my favorite thing. It's like everyone loves Daniel Craig as Bond. The only thing I love truly in the Daniel Craig Bond movies is Judi Dench and Albert Finney kicking ass at the end of Skyfall.

I just want Finney and Dench, like, that's all I care about is like, Finney and Dench making, like, fake bombs out of light bulbs and kicking ass and shit. While the same with Paddington. Julie Waters, like, in the first one and in the third one especially, she, she's like a badass Scottish grandmother. But then also Hugh Bonneville, especially in the second one, gets to like, pop out his, like, daddy cool Persona. Oh, man, that is such a fucking joy. Him with the, the motorbike and the hair and

the sideburns and the throwing the coconut husk. Ah, that's. That's a joy, my friend. So, yeah, whenever they give, like, you know, dumpy old English actors a chance to, like, Be badass, but still retain their like, dumpy English. And I, I mean that in a lovely way. And a lovely kind of cuddly, weird, old, you know, tea in the afternoon type character actors, when they give them the chance to like, kick ass, I'm very happy. You know what I mean? It always cheers me up.

I mean, Helen Mirren, she's having this, like, this kick ass renaissance. She's always been kind of great, but you know, the Red series, she'll have more active role in the next Best of the Furious movie. If you're not watching Mobland, you should. I said this in the last episode. She's just devious as on Mobland. She's having that like, old lady kick ass renaissance too. And I'm kind of, I love her anyway, but I love even more now,

you know? Yeah, look at the, look at the insane wave of support that there is for Pierce Brosnan to come back as like, old man Bond. Hey, I'll even throw Timothy Dalton in there after Hot Fuzz. That man can still fucking kick ass, dude. Can you imagine T Dolt coming back? That would be awesome. Yeah. You talked about Craig in the Bond films. He does get these odd roles. And I, I love Knives out and I Love, I love Ms. Bond. He's not my favorite Bond. I think

the honor still goes to Roger Moore for that. For me, be my favorite Bond just because it got so campy. Maybe that's why I love it so much. But not only that, but like Mole would just walk around in like a blazer and, you know, beige pants, dress pants, and just like knock motherfuckers off the top of buildings or kick cars off Greek rocks or whatever. He was like campy and badass at the same time, you know, like, he'd be, he'd be in dress shoes, like running

over the roofs of Tunisia. Just like, there's something amazing about this. He was such a 70s, early 80s. He was so the perfect bond for those two decades. You know what I mean? I, I love Roger Mo. He's the best. But if you told me that, you know, because I, I, I saw Logan looking for the, you know, when I saw it, you know that I needed a, a, a hillbilly Daniel Craig in my life. I, I, I would have lied to you and said,

what, what's that gonna sound like? But, you know, it has become my favorite Daniel Craig. Is his role as Joe Bang and Logan lucky. It's just, it's just spectacular. And the film itself has become like comfort food to me. I watch it many times. I love that. No, I'm not anti Craig. I just felt that, you know, his Bond, his run of Bond films bothered me intensely because on one hand they tried to claim they were telling like the whole, all his whole series was like all one big story, which it

just wasn't. Like his character keeps changing and the realities of his character keep changing. And you know, and then on the other hand, they tried to throw in all this arbitrary fan service, which I'm like, look, the Bond, the Bond franchise has been running long enough that you don't need to do fan service. Making a Bond film, period, is fan service. You don't need to start whipping in. We don't need to see Blofeld again. And Blofeld certainly doesn't have to be

Bond's brother. Like, it's just stop, like, stop it now. Put the pen down. Step away from the typewriter. Whatever it is, just, just, just stop it. Enough is enough. However, if you're going to cast T. Dalt as like old grumpy Bond and give him his Logan moment, or Pierce Brosnan as old grumpy Bond and give him his Wolverine logo Logan moment, I'm, I'm all over that shit.

I would love some, like, I would love some one off Bond stories that don't have to be about anything other than, you know, whatever mission and, or, you know, they've already done License to Kill where he goes rogue and goes like, beats up on Mexican drug lords. Why can't they do a movie where he's old, retired at home and he has to go like one last thing, like, you know what I mean? Like they do that shit, they did that shit

with Rambo. Like you can do that shit with Bond. Come on now, let's have some imagination. The only thing that frightens me is that Blofeld, a real life Blofeld, the actual Blofeld, now owns Bond. That's the problem. And I don't know if people have realized this, but like Drax from Moonraker is Musk from SpaceX and Bezos is

Blofeld. Like there's too many similarities there. And to be honest, quite honestly, I don't see a Bond in, I certainly don't see a Bond in beige pants and a blue blazer stepping out of a fancy Aston Martin to beat the, out of anybody yet. So. But yeah, it's terrifying that the real life Blofeld now owns Bond, but let's see, give, give Pierce Brosnan another chance. Why the not it's popular thing, you know, Letting you know the, the old guys do their thing and, you know,

come back and. Yeah, you know, just, just, just, you know, when I thought I was out, they, they sucked me back in kind of stuff. Yeah, dude, I would watch a sequel to the Dangerous that we're going to be talking about later. I would watch a sequel of that now. Both Parade and Davi are still with us. Let's make it happen. Anyway, what else have you been watching, sir? Sorry to keep interrupting. No, you're okay. This is the, this is Tangent. Me and me. You in a nutshell.

Besides the new thing that I watch, there's lots of stuff I could be watching, but I. I've been prepping for this 1993 show with, with the Land of the Creeps podcast. Horror podcast. Could go go check them out and I've been watching a lot of 93 stuff. Other stuff that I watched. Speaking of Dahvie, Mania Cop 3 Badge of Silence, not the best of the series. My man Charlie Bad adjacent, the guy that plays Mr. Sumatra in the.

And the Shrunken Heads movie, reactivates Matt Cordell with voodoo and he comes back to help a young female cop who's kind of getting a bad rap like he used to get. And so I, I forget how, how this film goes, that there's. I remember there's a heart paddle kill. He. He makes somebody explode with a heart paddle thing. And. Well, it's predominantly set in a hospital, isn't it? A hospital?

Yeah. But the main thing I remember is the end is the most gangster thing I ever seen in my life is where Dabi lights a cigarette off of a burning Matt Cordell in this movie. Yes, it's pretty, it's pretty gangster, this movie, you know? Yeah, no, it has two great sequences. It has the, the Robert Forster cameo scene, which is hands down the

best scene in the middle of the movie. Robert Forster just killing it. You just wish, like all of a sudden, out of nowhere, it becomes like a Larry Cohen masterclass in how to write a completely ludicrous scene in the middle of your movie with Robert Forster, one of your favorite actors, just showing up for a day's work. And then the car, the car stunts at the end with the guy literally driving the car while on fire. That's those, those which,

by the way, that. Speaking of Sparrow Rosados the other week for the PM Entertainment podcast, I have a story on there about that stunt. That stunt almost went horribly, horribly wrong. That car basically. Go ahead, dude, I said I can imagine. Yeah, no, it. That car basically almost Got loose and rolled into a whole pile of gas canister. It didn't, thankfully, but yeah, it was. It was touch and go there for a minute. That stunt did not go particularly

well, but fair play to Sparrow trying to. Trying to make it happen. And they got enough of it on film to use it for the. For the movie. So I'm sure that's all Luster cared about. I rewatched a lot of stuff. Body Melt, I have watched a long time, so we watched Body Melt. Great Australian film about health food that freaking melts people. Yes, all good. Great sequels in 93. I watched. I watched. I like a need excuse to rewatch Shows of the Corn, too. If you don't know there.

There's an actual Wicked Witch of the west kill in this film, and it's delightful. What else? There's. I'll just name things off here. Return Liberty, Dead three. The. The Romeo and Juliet one. That. That's always enjoyable with excellent makeup on. Mindy Clark. All practical. Just scarred this. I'd imagine how long it took to apply. I would love. I would love to listen to. I think the commentary exists on the Blu Ray that I do not own. So I'm gonna fix that problem. Also,

they went bold with it. They were like, what if we have an actually hot zombie? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she is. She's up, but she's. She's hot. She's got that going for her, you know? Yeah, she's. She's definitely got some hot stuff going on. And a favorite of both of ours, Man's Best Friend. I watched that for this show because, like I said, not gonna look at any excuse to watch. John Lafayette directed, the guy that made those

latter Child's Play sequels. Yeah. About a genetically enhanced dog that eats cats and stuff. And, you know, you can't help but laugh at that a little bit, you know? Is that the one with Lance Hendrickson and Ali Sheedy? Yes, that is the. Yes. I have that on vhs. Not in the store, but I have that at home on vhs. It's one of my favorites. Dude, Henriksen Sheedy, killer dog. Who doesn't fucking love that shit? That's. That's. That's top three shit right there.

There's stuff I got to get to do. I mean, we talked about. I talked on the last show with Mike White about Andrew Hickox, and he did a. A werewolf film for HBO that I've seen many times that might make my list called Full Eclipse with Patsy Kensett and Mario Van Peebles and that Was. The rough, though, man. Patsy Kensit's rough. Like, it's. It's difficult to sit through a Kenset movie. You wish she would get better, but she kind of never gets better.

It's more of a Marvin People's film though. But it's. It's back when HBO being. Being cool, I had this whole discussion with somebody about, you know, where you got stuff like Cast Deadly Spell and Witch Hunt and Lightning Jack with. With Paul Hogan and Cuba Gooding Jr. Is delightful to watch. What's another. Oh, the Cherokee Kid with Sinbad. That film needs a resurgence too. I. I had a good time with the early HBO movies. Oh, my gosh. So, yeah, I mean, Hickox, of course, started off with our

boy Bruce Campbell doing Wax work. Wax Work 2 and Sundown, Vampire and Retreat. That. I mean, that's. Then he did Hellraiser 3. I mean, talk about, you know, coming out the gate hot, man, with those four movies. I mean, Hickox is working. I mean, in this year alone, he did Full Eclipse, he did Warlock to the Armageddon and he did one more that I forget what else that he made, but I think there was one more. But there was a time where Hickoks is working a lot and. Yeah,

but what I'm about for. For 93 is which board 2. The Devil's Doorway I haven't watched in a long time, but I remember liking it just as much as the first one, if not better. But. Yeah, but Kevin kept two Wishboard two with Amy Dolan's. And Lorraine Newman plays the psychic lady in the movie. Yeah. Aren't they like a hundred witchboard movies? Or is that the. Is that Witchcraft? That's witchcraft. That's Witchcraft. Yeah. They have like 17 of them or something. Or. And probably

counting. Oh, but yeah, 93 is going to be. It's gonna be rough. I gotta pick five. And 93 has some. Has some bangers in there, which made it bangers of some people. But, you know. Well, let's have a look. What did. What did PM Entertainment do in 93? Let's check it out. What have you got to pick? Oh, it has to be horror, right? Has to be horror. But still, PM had to be busy in 93. They had to be.

Oh, they did. I mean, if you want to pick. I don't know if they allow sci fi to be like, horror adjacent, but PM Entertainment did do Alien Intruder with Billy Dee Williams, Jeff Conaway and Maxwell Caulfield in 1993. That's beautiful. Oh, my gosh. But yeah, Today we're gonna talk about two films. Of course, our parade pick is the dangerous from 1995. And we're both, we're both psyched.

Talk about this. Directed by Rod Hewitt and written by it, Zone Troopers is our VHS pick from 1985 to 10 years before that and directed by Danny Bilson, who did a whole bunch of stuff and starring most of the cast of Transfers. So me and John are all over this, guys. Okay. It's all I'll say about that. Yeah. I mean, again, I don't think. I don't. I don't think we've

had a rough parade pick yet. But the fact that every parade pick and in fact every VHS pick so far has been so top level and so good and so enjoyable. Like, I'm wondering when the fall's coming because so far I'm just climbing up that hill and I'm happy. Every time I put a parade movie in. I got a question. Were you aware, and I was thinking about possibly adding this to a repertoire, that there's a television show. Oh, what is it? I forget what it's called now. But of course Parade

has. I mean, of course Michael Beck has a cowboy hat on in which Michael Pere and Michael Beck are. Are cops in a TV show in Texas. I was not aware, but I will happily watch some of the episodes if it gets to the point where we need to do that for the parade way. No, it's, it's fine. I just. I just was thinking like. Yeah, might discuss that one day, you know, in episode two here and there. Definitely. Why not? Yeah, yeah. Zone Troopers is, is the,

the great. Made by the great Empire Studios, of course. Charlie Band driven. Very, very, very Italian in nature. Zone Troopers very look forward to talking about that. That World War II gem that doesn't get enough love. But we'll start with, with how do we do this? Like it's been a while since John. Do we do the VHS pick first or the prairie first? I forgot that works. I don't know, but I think we do the parade one first. All right.

It's the special time of the show again, you know, where me and John get all misty eyed for multiple co ops in this movie. In my opinion. But one dreamy eyed fella to where we get so excited we feel a little tingling in our tum tums and we get in the parade way. We're in the paradeway every night and every day. I don't care what you say, we're not listening anyway. Gary and Sean, we won't get along are in the parade way. Okay, okay. It's a game that we have to play. We both of my

friends. This is how we stay. I don't know how better to be made so I wouldn't show that Gary is gone. But when it's a paradeway, the parade pick of the show is the dangerous from 1995. Your cheap plot synopsis is this. Brother and sister ninja warriors get revenge for their sister's death by killing the drug dealers in New Orleans. The police enlist the help of biker warrior of

a biker warrior to solve the crime. The head drug dealer stirs the pot even further by hiring Cajun warriors to kill those who he believes are responsible for the death of their dealers. The Cajun warriors. We'll talk about them. But yeah, it's, it's. Yeah, it's, it's. It's so it's multi level. Everybody. It's multi leveled. We get Robert Dahby in this film as, as Davalos. I guess they realize his name so they're calling Davalos in this movie. That's fine.

Michael Perret as random. That's not, that's not who he is. That's the name. That is his name in this movie. John Savage. Who is Emil Lautrek in this movie? The legendary, the legendary Joel Gray plays a hobo who lives in a trunk apparently named Flea. We'll get into that. Elliot Gould as Levine. He was acting these things back in these days. The legendary Asian henchman Shang Tsung himself carry Hiroyuki Tagawa. You know him from many things that require

an Asian heavy Showdown of Tokyo. So many things he. He's in. Although I think a film like Showdown of Tokyo has them all. Perhaps he has all the Asian henchmen. There were 90s of 90s in that film. Perhaps I don't even know. There's so many of them recognizable. Paula Barbary as Paula, I guess you know, same name. Juan Fernandez is an actor I've seen in many, many things too. I just. Again, one of those actors. I. I can't tell where I've seen him but I could say I've seen him

in like 12 things. As Tito, Sammy Nakamura as. As Carrie's sister Akiko. And that's about where we're stopped right there. This is directed by Rod Hewitt and written is by him as well. Didn't do a whole lot as far as like directing stuff. He wrote some stuff including this movie too. But directed stuff of note. Let's find out now. What is Blue Devil? Blue Devil Is it any good or not? We're gonna find out right now.

No, nothing, nothing, Nothing really is of note. I mean, he's worked with Davy before and he works with Michael Perret again on a film called Strip Search, which also has Pam Greer in it. So we might be doing a Rod Hewitt movie again on the Parade podcast. Because Michael Perret and Pam Grier in a Rod Hewitt film called Strip Search. Dude, that's. If that isn't up street, I don't. Know what is

definitely up our street. And I'm, I'm sure we're going to get to it for sure because that, that's, that's right up our alley, much like this film right here. So I'll start with you, John, because I'm not saying you're more excited about this film than I was, but you know, when we first read the synopsis on the last episode, we were like, this is a movie and it just sounds amazing. And for, from our private talks, it doesn't sound like you were disappointed. All in this film that gets a 4.0

on IMDb and that's unfair. But oh yeah. So first of all, IMDb and people reviewing this movie, go fuck yourselves. Seriously, go like, fuck off with this 4.4.0 out of 10 bullshit. This is at least an 8 out of 10. At least, at least. I could push it higher, but. But it's at least an 8 out of 10 and I'll tell you why. Because this shit surprises you every step of the way. And I'm going to lay it down. So first of all, it's 4 out of 10 on IMDb. It surprises you by not

being shit. It surprises you by being excellent. But beyond that, it surprises you some other ways. It looks the business for, for a straight to video action movie with, you know, B movie legends like Michael Perret and Robert Davy. It looks the business, it's completely bizarre because the only person attached to this movie that could have maybe done anything towards like supplying the budget that it clearly has because it's filmed in New Orleans or certainly there's a lot of it filmed

in New Orleans. I'm sure they filmed other bits of the interior somewhere else, but there's a lot of it filmed in New Orleans. The effects are genuinely great. There are some, you know, car chases and shootouts and ninja swords and it has a bit of everything when it comes to the action. And it, it is, it's truly impressive. The only guy, as I said, attached to this who has any history who might have been able to bring the thunder is actually the co director,

David Winters. And David Winters had been in Hollywood films for years and years and years. There isn't anything this guy hasn't done. He's acted, he's directed, he's produced, he's done a bit of everything. But he goes back to the Monkees TV series and the Ann Margaret show. Like that's where that guy cut his teeth and even did Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde musical movie. So we were talking earlier about, like different Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde things.

He does a musical with Kirk Douglas and Susan George, of all people. Like, I don't know how that shit gets made. Of course, Donald Pleasance is also in it because Pleasance has to show up in the part of Fred Smudge. But how the hell did they mount them? A movie, a musical, no less, of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde with Kirk Douglas, Susan George and Donald Pleasence. Clearly this guy David Winters gets it done. Now he is the co director on this movie. So again, I don't know if

him and Rod Hewitt started off working together. I don't know if Rod dropped down and David came in or whether David dropped out. Whether David mounted it, dropped out and Rod came in, I have no idea at all. There's so little online about this movie. But the only thing that to me explains the cast that they've got in this movie, because the cast is off the chain, it's fantastic. But also the clear budget that they have for some of the shots that they're doing and some of the stuff

that they do within New Orleans. And then thirdly, the other surprising thing about the movie is some of the kills, like genuinely kills I haven't seen before and genuinely pretty disgusting. There's. There's a very effective kill right at the beginning where they tape a girl up and put her in a. A barrel and pour cement over her, which is just. I can only imagine how horrifying that is. And the way they do it was very matter of fact and even comical. I'm sure we'll get on

to that in a bit. And then there's a. A sequence later where John Savage as the fantastic character Emile Lautrec and his cousin, also his friend, he's like, this is my friend also he's my cousin who he's carrying around with this little double act. They kill a guy in a way. We'll get into it later, but they kill a guy in a way where I was like, oh, oh, wow. And not only is. Is it a A guy. But it's your man from Mall Rats and from Conan. What's his name? The Swiss guy. Oh my God.

Sven. Yeah, Sven. That's it. Who plays Finn of all things, you know? Yes. But they kill him in a way where I was just like, wow, that's surprising. So anyway, it is a. It is a ninja cop mafia drug dealing movie. Like it has they. This is what I call kitchen sink movie at its finest. And what I mean by kitchen sink movie is you throw everything at the wall, including the kitchen sink. And, and what is wonderful about the Dangerous is so much of it sticks.

There is so many. I cannot wait to unpack this with you, Gary. But I. This was a joy to me. This was. It was action packed. It had a little erotica. It had fucking people looking badass. Like, Robert Davy took the opportunity to be like, I have to have at least eight badass outfits throughout this entire movie. Like, Davy clearly owned the set whenever he was around because the movie seems obsessed with Davy. There's film noir in there. There's like New New Orleans swamp noir in

there. There's like crooked cops and I mean, it's all the one liners that are bouncing around. Dude, I couldn't have loved this movie more. It's. It's utterly confusing. It has no handle on the plot at any point whatsoever. But that doesn't matter. There are ninjas and drug dealers and cops and biker warriors and mentions of, of true honor and all this sort of stuff. And yeah. Bending laws in New Orleans and

throwing people off buildings. I mean, this movie has just about a little bit of everything that I love and I loved it for it. Oh, it's, it's. I agree with everything you said, John. It's. It's. It's a phenomenal experience. And again, I looked, we. We look on list for this. Like what Parade Jam sounds, sounds great. And we read the synopsis for this and who was in it just like, yeah, this, this is, this is more than likely going to be another Parade winner. And it is in so many ways. John.

John mentioned that was a chicken soup action film. It is. It has a lot of stuff thrown into it. I mean. Yeah. And then you even have. Yeah. You even have Joel Gray. Right? I didn't even mention him. But yeah, Joel Gray bouncing about. You know, he was doing these kind of roles. He had this and his, his role in Remo Williams, of course, you know, just, just doing these quirky ass roles. And this, what he plays like a street rat who,

who happens to have a Cell phone and, and infinite connections. And you know what? You buy that. I can't tell you why you buy that. He's been living inside a Mardi Gras float for like eight months. But yeah, this, this is wild. And you got these two charismatic guys just, you know, chewing the scenery. The, the, the best, the, the best they can at the same time.

Robert Dahvie in this film. I, I, I can't tell if he's supposed to be Italian or possibly Asian because the, the way, the cut of his jib, if you will, that, the way they cut his hair in this film, it's like missing, it's missing an Asian inspired headband. You know, when Dabi goes to work, you almost wish that was there because he, he shows up because he's like the, the, the, the Asian expert, you know, to, to, to, to help Random. He's a ninja whisperer. He's, he's a

ninja whisperer. Yes, indeed. That's a good word for it. And he knows the story, he knows what's going on. It's hard to tell if he's a cop or like a mercenary. Because we were introduced is one of the greatest introductions ever. A Robert in, Robert Dobby in a movie is that he's in, he's in this New Orleans cemetery and, and there's a gunfight there because all of a sudden there's this copper that comes out. This might be

the same cemetery from Easy Rider. I have no idea. It looks very similar to the trip out. It is, it's, it's, that's what, that's what made me think, like, how the hell are they affording this? Because that is the, that is the above ground cemetery. Famous New Orleans above ground cemetery. It's right there, slap bang in the heart of the city. It's where Nick Cage owned his pyramid or whatever it was that Nick Cage wanted to. Yeah, Nick Cage, like blew a ton of money on owning like a few

mad graves in New Orleans. But it's right there. I've toured that graveyard. Yeah, it's, it's insane. They got to film everything. They got to film there. I, you know, I can only assume that New Orleans was hard up for cash in 95. I don't know. Oh, yeah, but Dabby shows up, you know, waiting for a gunfight because there's this, there's a funeral going on where these guys are carrying this insanely light coffin that happens that looks light, but it's filled with guns, like an array of guns.

It's like a real, you Would say it's a nice spread if you're having Thanksgiving dinner of weaponry that's going to be fired in about two minutes. And for some reason, I guess it's raining outside. So these guys have umbrellas that the gunman. And for some reason, they don't lose the umbrellas. They just hold on to them while they're shooting people. No. So the umbrellas, they have them in the summer as well. They're a traditional in New Orleans funerals where they have a processional.

Very often the mourners have umbrellas. It doesn't necessarily denote rain, although it may do in this case because it was gray and overcast. But in, in general, they do know they dance with the umbrellas. They hold them up. It's. I don't know the, the full tradition. Sometimes they're umbrellas, sometimes they're parasols. But they are a. A feature at both New Orleans funerals and also second line marches that go on throughout New Orleans with the music and the parading and everything.

And, and that's fine. But the most hilarious part of the scene to be is not, not, not the gunplay, but the fact that they hold on to these like they're in like a Broadway musical or something, and it's part of the act. They're just. Yes. It's like, unless you're the Penguin from Batman, you shouldn't hold on to this parasol if you're in a gunfight because the gun is inside the parasol for the Penguin.

So there's that. Yeah. I mean, unless you're spinning it around and ninja stars are flying out of the folds of your parasol, like, you know what I mean? Put it down. Put it down. It's just taking up a hand. It's unnecessary. But one way to, to do this is like, hey, they got the guns now. But to conceal the guns, they hold their parasols in a forward motion and then they throw it away like, like Arnold throws the roses away when he reveals his shotgun. Terminator 2.

And they just start blasting away Dabi. But he, He. He knows. He knows the gunmen are there because there's not. There's not a point in time in this film where Robert Dobby doesn't know the score. And that's one of my favorite things about it. Like, yeah, but parade is kind of a rube is random here, not, not really having a lot of information. But Davalos. Davalos has all the cards. And I love it so much.

I love that. Like, I love that Rod Hewitt and Robert Davy sat down and was just like, Davi was like, how about I'm Davalos? Like it's Davi, but it's got like a mysterious feel to it. You know what I mean? He is Davalos from the desert. That's the other thing. No, no, no, finish up. No, no, finish up, dude. It makes you wonder if they made him call. He made them call him Davalos rather than Robert while he was doing the film. He went full method and I would. Hope Gary,

he 1000%. I think he still has people call him Davalos. Like I think that's it's Robert Davy's secret alter ego. I believe so. The one thing we didn't mention is the movie starts when we actually meet Robert Davy. He's in the desert on a horse dressed like a cowboy with a beard. And you're like, wait, what? And Davalos has just gone out to the desert like, like the old man and Unforgiven kind of thing. He's just trotting around the dusty plains,

finding his way in the world. You know, there's a lot of like Kane from Kung Fu stuff in this movie. Like he's out in the desert, he's just traveling the earth. He gets the call on his answer machine to come to New Orleans to help his buddy out. And then out of nowhere, within seconds, Davalos has transferred from old man cowboy into mean badass motorbike warrior riding, riding from Arizona to New Orleans on his hog. Man, Davy gets to try on so many fucking looks and hats

in this movie, it's hilarious. And then when he shows up to the graveyard in New Orleans, his buddy has been like crucified, but he's sitting down totally with. He's been nailed to a crucifix, which is horrible, but he's sitting down which obviously defeats the point of being crucified. Yeah, yeah, I beat the shit too, by the way. So I guess he is bleeding out in the way. But yeah, us doing this on, on Easter Eve is kind of Afropo to, to our, our friends. Half crucifixion in this movie.

Yeah, but this movie, like a PM film. And that's the thing is I want people to like when I started this and I thought, well, you know, 95, it's 4 out of 10. It's Rod Hewitt's not really done very much. I'm like, oh, it's probably going to be some low budget thing. And, and look, I'm not saying it's fucking Die Hard too or

whatever. It's not like Hollywood budget. But if you watch this and someone said to you like a PM Entertainment made this or whatever, I would believe it simply because follows the rules of a lot of PM films, which is action needs to break out no matter what. At a certain point, every few minutes, you need to have as many people who can be a part of that action, but in a variety of different ways as much as possible. Hence the drug dealers, the cops, the motorbike warrior, the ninjas.

Like everyone's got a stake in this, you know. You know, you've got to film all over the city and get different backdrops and different parts of day or night, whatever, throw a bit of sex in there. Like it follows the, the Corman PM Entertainment, you know, the structure, the, the, the rules almost to the letter. And is the better for it is much, much better for it. It doesn't let it slow down or get boring for a minute. I mean,

it's just every. Even when he goes to see Davalos, shows up in New Orleans and we find out that he's got a bit of a past. And we don't ever find out exactly what that past is, except it has something to do with the brother of the hooker played by. You said her name earlier. Played by Paula Barbara.

Right. And something to do with her brother. We don't quite know what it is, but like if he hadn't left New Orleans last time in the middle of the night by himself, her brother would have got killed or something like that. So he left for noble reasons and now he's back. And any scene with the two of them in it is shot like a sort of a neo noir, like thick red light coming through a slatted blind and you know, blues and pinks on the wall. And all the dialogue

suddenly gets dramatic. Like it's, you know, the scene in Casablanca with where Bogey is saying to oh my God, why can't I think of names today? Gary. This is becoming a real problem for my podcasting habits. Ingrid Bergman. Who's saying where he's saying to Ingrid Bergman about, no, you have to, you know that you can't stay here. And they're talking about Paris and the letters of transit, everything. That scene in Casablanca, which is kind of the scene before it all,

all the. Goes down in the last act of that film, that scene. It's, it's, it's, it's like that every time Davi and Bobby Harry get in a room together. Either that or it's hot and heavy and we're getting a little. We're getting a little lovemaking action. So it's the way it's filmed, the different genres it's picking from it. Yeah, it never lets you get bored or tired for a minute. No, I agree. I mean, it gets crazy and it gets crazier because they keep adding.

What this film does very well is like, wow, they just added henchmen to this movie. Now you have the henchmen who are the ones looking for revenge. They do a brilliant job. You mentioned spanily, Thorsten shows up in this movie. He can only have what I can describe as a ring around the rosy death because it's so painful. Our Asian assassins show up and they just circle around him while slicing him around the belly. Well, no, yeah, it's our Cajun assassins. It's John Savage, right?

Yeah. And it's. It's phenomenal the way. The way he is murdered in this film. And you look for a disembodiment, but you do. You have to have an R rating, of course. But I'd imagine his guts are all over the floor at this point. But, yeah, they stick a knife in it and just. They basically. I've never seen anything like that in a movie. He like, sticks. He's got one of these. I don't know what kind of blades there are. It's, it's. It's, you know, it's like a short. It's definitely a

fighting blade, but it's, It's. It's shorter, but it's curved and it looks evil as. And, you know, I don't know what the. Like, when you've seen movie. In movies where, you know, someone commits like Harry Carry or something and, and. And, you know, disembowels themselves. It's kind of like that knife. I don't know if there's like a ceremonial Japanese word for it or whatever. But yeah, he just.

It's like a short katana kind of, in a way. You know, I. I've seen it in a movie or two before, though. And he just sticks it right in Sven Olaf. Sven Ole Thorson's stomach and then just cuts all the way around. And again, it's not like. You see, it's not like they've done like prosthetic effects or. Or anything like that. It's just the thought of it and the sound effects they use and the way they do it. It's. Yeah, it's very effective. Yeah. Yeah, that's the cage. The Cajun guys.

Yeah, I love those guys because not. Not only did they do what our Asian assassins do, but they do it while talking because the Asians don't say much in this movie unless they're talking to Davalos. But, but because he, he knows why they want revenge. But these guys have a level of arrogance to them that just makes them charismatic as. So that, that's what this film is all about, you know,

being killers and being charismatic as. So you almost wanted more of them, you know, so if that's a complaint about the dangerous. Yeah, I want a more assassin guys, you know. Yeah. If anything, you know, the, the thing is this. So the, the. There are two Japanese assassins who are the brother and sister of the woman who at the beginning of the movie gets put in an oil drum, taped up and covered in cement and

then kicked in the bay. It's a real like, by the way, also, they're having the most obvious drug deal you've ever seen in any movie ever. Like, there are, there are like 20 hench people, two limousines. They're putting huge suitcases in between each other, like in Broad, not in like a lit dark area right by a warehouse. Like anyone could see if like, like if you were the other side of the New Orleans bay, like just casually at a restaurant or something, you would

look out across the water and go, oh, look at that drug deal. Like, that's how fucking obvious it was. And of course she has to make a noise in the. When she's scoping them out. She, she's a, she's not even a journalist or whatever. She's doing it for like a college degree or something. Right. Isn't she writing something for her? She's not like a journalist or anything. Or am I wrong about that? Well, you don't get a whole lot of context of what you know she's doing.

All you know is that she's following these, these drug dealers. And of course she, she makes, takes pictures and makes a inexplicable noise because she, she moves from the garbage case she's hiding behind. Yeah. And she gets, she gets to, she gets to see men's shoes. And then she, her relatives show up accordingly. I mean, yeah, her brother and sister show up and they basically have told their mother, oh, we're going to avenge her death and we probably won't come back.

Like, if we've been successful, you'll see us in heaven, basically. And to them it's all about, you know, honor and all this sort of stuff. And then what happens is that the cops are. The cops have also been like scoping out these drug dealers. And the cops are about to do. Their. Their, their big arrest. You know, they're about to run into the building and take on all these people, including one of the cops who is. And I'm not kidding, when I saw this, I was

like, oh, this is going to be a good movie. I'm going to love. Every minute of this movie was when they were doing the stakeout before they were about to go attack the building with all the drug dealers in it. And one of the cops is lying down in the street pretending to be a cardboard box. And he's literally lying in front of a car inside a cardboard box with a walkie talkie and a little circular hole poked out with a little flap. And I'm like,

that's. He's not even dressed as a hobo or anything. He's just pretending to be a box. It's fucking genius. Now the driving through the city of Chicago is telling me anything. If you hit the wrong spot on that massive crater, that guy's a dead man. It's just going to happen, you know? Yes. So, so once I realized, oh, this is the kind of movie where your.

Your cop buddies can pretend to be a cardboard box on the street of New Orleans, only to then clumsily run out of the cardboard box when shit goes down, I'm like, oh, I'm gonna enjoy this sucker. But, but during that, the, the ninja assassins show up. The brother and sister team show up and wipe out all the drug dealers before the cops can get there. But that means that when the cops show up, the drug dealing, the guy at the top of the drug dealers, the, the, the lead guy who

was, who played that guy was that. That was Tito, right? Tito thinks that Tito thinks that the cops killed everybody and are lying about the, the fact that they arrived when they were dead. So then Tito sends not only his henchmen, goons, but also these two Cajun assassins against the cops. So that's the setup. And you really have to. Like I had. I don't know about you, Gary, but I had to keep reminding myself, oh, right. The drug dealers want the cops because they think the cops killed the

drug dealers. But the cops didn't kill the drug dealers. The ninjas killed the drug dealers. But they don't know that there are ninjas until later. And then the cops want to get the ninjas, but at the same time, the cops don't want to get the ninjas because they have honor it. Like I had to at a certain point, keep unraveling The. The plot in my head and making sure that I. I had it correctly. Especially once they're like, well, we're also

going to hide the cops. Also go, well, we're going to hire Davalos. Why? It doesn't matter. It's. It's Robert Davies just writing it down. He's the Ninja whisperer. He's on a motorbike. He's wearing his little bandana and looking like he's auditioning for Sons of Anarchy New Orleans. Sons of Anarchy Colon. New Orleans. You know, so it's. It's. It's. It's fantastic. It's confusing, but it's fantastic. And then in order to track all these people down, par is like, come with

me. They go to the. The. Where all the floats, all the Mardi Gras floats are kept, which people will know if they've seen Hard Target. Although Hard Target did this two years after this movie, because this movie was actually shot in the early 90s. I think Davi said on Twitter that it was shot around 9192 before hard target. So they actually did it first. But, yeah, they. They go to the. Where the parade floats are kept.

And Flea, played by Joel Gray, just sleeping inside a parade float, just hanging out there waiting for parade and Davalos to show up. So, so good. Continue. I'm sorry, dude. Imagine. No, no, no, no, no. I want your input, dude. I was just trying to get everyone set up. So they're bouncing around. No, I'm just saying that the Fleas and Joel Gray is Flea. Another one of those. Like, hey, we got Joe Gray for three days. Let's make him spectacular. And I'm sure that was done a

lot on his own, you know, Go ahead. I'm sorry. No, it's. It's. No, it's fantastic. And what's fantastic about it was that, you know, Davila shows up, right? He gets paired up with Perret. Right? They don't know each other. And thankfully, I think I read a review where someone said, thankfully, there wasn't a lot of unnecessary bickering. Because you're right, that would have spoiled the movie somewhat if there was, like, a lot of unnecessary bickering between Perret and Davalos.

It's almost nice that Davalos shows up and is just like, fine, okay, this is Parade. Off we go. In fact, when Davalos shows up, Perret is getting a beat blowy from his girlfriend. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Davalos. Davalos is, like, peeping at parade, getting nailed by his lady. That's pretty good. It's pretty good introduction to those two characters, you know? Yeah, but no, but what I mean is the first

thing Parade does is take him to meet Flea. And I'm like, if you're Davalos, right, you've driven all the way from the desert to events or to sort out this ninja problem that they're having in New Orleans. And your partner is not only just spending his afternoon having sex with his, his girl and getting blowies midday when he's meant to be on, on the case, but also the next thing Parade does is take him to a weird little man who lives in a parade float

and go, this guy will be able to find them. He can find anybody. Davalos. And Davos just buys it. Davalos is just like, sure, he says to flee. Like, we want you to work for us. Like, Davos is on board. Like, this is just normal. Oh, I'm in New Orleans and a guy lives in a parade float and he's going to help us find some ninjas. Sure. Off we go. This is fine. I've got this. Like, Davalos never questions anything. Like for the moment he shows up. Oh, for sure.

That's the cool thing about his, his, his character is he, he's so calm and collected the whole time, no matter what bonkers shit is happening. It's like, yep, it's fucking Tuesday, isn't it? You know, and that's, that's the Davos attitude because the coif demands it of Davalos. Just the fact that he's a motorbike warrior called Davalos, it's just enough for me to love this movie. Not to mention that when they then go to the cinema and I don't even remember why they end

up in the cinema. In fact, I don't even remember why they end up anywhere where they end up. But when they end up in the cinema, Elliot Gould is there for no reason. Elliot Gould is Lips Levine. They had him for a day and you know. Yeah, I can't confirm or deny that, but I'd imagine. But by the way, Tito Juan Fernandez, he was all over the spectrum as far as, like, genre stuff goes. Well, most, most, most mainstream folks may know him as he was the main Hispanic bad guy in Crocodile Dundee Part

two. So. Right. Yes, that's correct. Yes. Lips Levine. Isn't it like the, like the most Italian name you can think of, like for like a cartoon gangster, you know, because what was the guy in Dick Tracy, Lips Manless, played by the great Paul Sorbino. Was Lips Manless and Dick Tracy.

Yes, yes. And Elliot Gould is Lips Levine, who is low level, very low level drug dealer who is also the projectionist at a theater where they're showing the Russian war film Alexander Nevsky, which weirdly enough is also the stage name or potentially the real name, I don't know of a current very C tier action star that, that is doing the rounds and straight to video stuff right now called Alexander Nevsky, who has been able to put together a bunch of movies with your favorite B

and C tier action stars from the 80s. Don Wilson's done a bunch, Cynthia Rothrock's done a bunch. Mark Dacasco spinning a couple of Nevsky movies. And yet Nevsky movies, for whatever reason, even though he's clearly a fan of films like this and clearly a fan of PM Entertainment films and other stuff like that, seemingly incapable of making his own entertaining movie. I've tried to watch three Nevsky movies. Like, I'm out. I'm out. I can't

do it to myself anymore. It's too embarrassing to watch Don the Dragon Wilson, Cynthia Rothrock, Mark the Cascos, Casper Van Diet or whatever ruin themselves in Nevsky movies. I can't, I'm out. I'll, you know, I just can't do it anymore. But very funny that, that when they show up to this retro house theater that they're showing a whole bunch of weird stuff. And again with this whole Jekyll and Hyde thing.

A Jekyll and Hyde poster on the wall for one that stars Tracy Spencer Tracy and Lana Turner. So Jekyll and Hyde following us all around this, this, this place, right? Oh, yeah. So, yes, for sure. Yeah. It's a, it's a theme of the show, if you will. I don't know how far we should go into this because I, I would, I would love to say that since they're doing stuff like this, this might get like a vinegar syndrome treatment like, like real soon.

And I would love to see this. It's just, it's, it gets nuts, man. Like, like John said, it's, it's like, it's, it's, it's a, it's a hodgepodge movie and it gets, it gets to be kind of a mess. But you know, you're, you're there for the mess because of the charisma of the people that are acting at this movie.

Oh yeah. I mean, this, this movie is held. Well, no, but, but this is the other thing Gary's saying is not only, yes, the movie's held Definitely on the backs and the shoulders of the charisma of the actors, who all of whom are incredibly entertaining in this movie and understood the assignment when they showed up. But the other thing that I think genuinely needs to be pointed out about this movie is that when they are doing the.

And I'm not going to say parodies, but when they are doing the different genres that they're attempting to like, recreate, they do actually, like, get pretty close. Like, the film noir scenes are shot really beautifully. The ninja action that takes place on the roof in the skyscraper looks like those Hong Kong and Japanese movies that are kind of grainy but beautiful and like the.

The way it's framed and stuff actually looks really good. And sure, yeah, there's a few, like, shootouts in some cheap locations and a few fights that take place clearly in like, you know, cheap high rises that they've rented out or whatever. But in general, the action looks good. New Orleans looks good. The film noir stuff looks good. Like it? Yes, it's charismatic in terms of. In front of the screen, but I also think

there's some charisma working behind the screen. And again, I don't know because I haven't seen any other Rod Hewitt films, but I. And I'm interested to see them. But I do wonder if that isn't partly David Winters. And I only say that because of David Winters legacy in the industry. He had just been around longer and possibly had a little bit more knowledge. You know what I mean? Well, if you look at David Winter's output and it's. It's pretty impressive for genre stuff because,

like, you mentioned the. The Monkeys and Gary Loves the Monkeys with. With the. The Beating of his Heart, the TV show and, and. And the band, of course. But if you look at the stuff he made, you know, he made. And I own this on Lasers Fire. Oh, this. He was a producer on this. On Firehead, which is when a Russian cyborg with telekinetic powers terrorizes a city and a lead government agency intervenes. A chemist teams up with a special agent to capture the menace, but they find out that

the true villain isn't what they expected. Now, I have to mention this, Bill, because we may do this one day. It stars Christopher Plummer and Martin Landau, and this is a VIP joint and. Which made nothing but good trash. So there's that. He was a producer on that, though. As far as directing goes, one of the things that stuck to me that I've seen is Thrashing, which is a teenage skateboarding movie with Josh Brolin and of course, The Great Nightmare

2. Robert Rustler is the protagonist, the opposite skate team guy. And this is a skateboarding film. A guy who had no experience making this kind of stuff. But the skateboarding scenes look professional. They look phenomenal. But more action stuff. He made Mission Kill with Robert Ginty. He worked with Cameron Mitchell a lot, apparently. So this is the one that stars Robert Ginty, Karen Mitchell, Olivia Dabo, and yeah, some of this was Karen Mitchell too. You can look it up real fast.

One has Ali Reid in it. I think this is the one. Rage to Kill. Rage to Kill has Dum Dum Dum Dum, James Ryan, Oliver Reed and Cameron Mitchell. So he works Cameron Mitchell a bunch, but he has the ability to make these, these action movies. And I, I gotta see these. But I, I'll go back to thrashing again though, because thrashing, you're for a guy who had no experience filming skate stunts or what a skate stunt should look

like. He adapted himself to that. And this, this film is, is a testament to, I, I think more him than Rod Hewitt as far as, like, experience goes, making an action movie. Yeah. And I'm also thinking, you know, obviously I won't be able to confirm it 100 until obviously I watch more Rod

Hewitt movies and also watch more David Winters movies. But for example, something else I just looked up, there were two cinematographers on this, which makes me think again that like, David Winter started it and then Rod Hewitt came in to like, finish it or something. And one, you know, both, both director photographers, Irv Good Goodnoff and Christopher Whaling or Walling. Chris. Christopher Walling have both done a lot of genre stuff and have both done a lot of like, B movie stuff and things.

But I do think, I think the original team behind this movie was David Winters and Irv good enough because Irv Goodnov has a slightly better and slightly more respect respectable past as a cinematographer than Christopher Walling. But Christopher Walling looks to still be working today and has done a lot more stuff in the last like 10, 15 years than he had done prior to working

on the Dangerous. So I think that either Crystal Walling was like Irv Goodnoff's like, Apprentice and they both got credit on the movie, or, you know, Irv and Dave left the movie and Rod and Chris finished it up. But Irv was known for shooting stuff like Evil Speak, the Van, Super Van. He shot both Super Van and the Van. He, he shot Evil Speak. He shot some music videos for Jefferson

Starship. He shot the Iron Triangle, Object of Desire The Resurrected in Between with Robert Forster and Wings Hauser. So I, I think, you know, after this he would go on and do Extra three, Watch the Skies and a bunch of other movies. But I think that maybe he is the one we've got to thank a little bit for the, the cinematography in the, in the Dangerous, I think. So there's clearly a store story behind this that, that, I don't know. We can only really

scratch the surface of, I think, just by assuming stuff. Oh, and as our friend Kyle would say, breaking news. Don't tell me the IMDb doesn't put up more nuggets for us to watch. Not a parade jam, but a possible VHS jam also set in New Orleans, Also done in 1995, starring Robert Davi, Body Count aka Codename, the Codename Silencer. New Orleans cops try to capture two ruthless assassins who are trying to avenge themselves against

cops who had previously set them up. This stars Dobby, Stephen Bauer, Brigitte Nielsen, Sonny Chiba and Jan Michael Vincent. David A. Pryor written movie. Oh my gosh, it has, it has to be good. It has to be. How do you know? But. It'S got Sonny Cheever in it and it's got Jan Michael Vincent as well. That's crazy because that is streaming on prime as well, so I may watch it at work in the morning. We'll see.

Oh, and this is what I love is the, the more scabs you pick of B movie action in the 90s, the more wounds are revealed. And I mean that, that's probably a, an ugly metaphor, but I don't know, you know what I mean? Like when you find one that you love, you're like, all right, what's David. What else was Davion around this time? What else was Parade in around this time? What else did Rod Hewitt do? What else did David Winters do? What else does the cinematographers do?

Like you start to go down a, a road and, and, and only beauty lies at the end of it, apparently. Oh yeah, for sure, for sure. We want to go much deeper on this, on this, this action jam, which I, I, I, I gotta say, you know, for a film that has, has not seen the dvd, the film Rise print they have on prime and on on to be. It looks, it looks phenomenal. I don't know where you get these prints from, but yeah, you kind of hope that somebody internationally or

otherwise will, will put this on a Blu Ray one day. Like I could. They put less on a Vinegar syndrome Blu ray, so I would hope they get some, it puts some materials together and this gets like a pretty sweet release from like a Vinegar syndrome. I would hope so.

Well, yeah, I mean at the moment Film Rides is doing deals with my buddy over in Switzerland, Claudia Ulrich, who is, who works for the company that's putting out all the PM Entertainment movies, Focus Media Focus with a K who's putting out all the PM Entertainment movies on Blu Ray at the moment. And so if Film Rise, and I think Film Rise, like buying up Echo Bridge because a lot of this stuff used to be owned by Echo Bridge. All the PM stuff was Echo

Bridge. So I feel like Filmrise has purchased Echo Bridge in the last few years, whatever. Obviously Filmrise has flooded it out onto streaming. But I think, you know, Filmrise has got to look around the world, see what's happening with boutique Blu Ray. See the fact that those Focus Media PM Entertainment Blu Rays are

selling out both in Europe and in America. And I think they're going to want to sell like they're going to want to do a deal with a Vinegar Syndrome or a Arrow or a Blue Underground or someone or a Synapse or a, you know, Code Red or someone like that and just be like here, here's our library. You know, put three out a month or whatever.

Because when the Film rise. I'm sorry, it does happen because the next one we're going to talk about had a keynote release that's out of print now, but now it's been released by ADA Films, I'd imagine like almost the same print and the same commentary and everything. Oh yeah. I mean Charles Band or shop his stuff around until someone's

willing to pay for it. And I know that Empire is slightly different to Full Moon in terms of what he owns versus what they own because I know that he's been putting out a ton of Full Moon stuff on Blu Ray himself. But I also know that there are a few key titles from the Empire days. Like Arrow for example, did that video store box set that was really just five Empire movies, dolls, robojox and a couple of others. Arena I think not the Pam Grier arena, the other one and a couple of others.

Eliminators. Yes, Arrows definitely owned some of the Empire stuff. Kino obviously had it for a hot minute. So yeah, I mean that stuff because it's a. There's enough well known titles, Reanimator, Castle, Freak, things like that that'll always be being shipped around I guess. Trances of course has had a Blu ray and a 4K and now trances Noir is coming out or some. So yeah, I Mean, so there's, there's. Still money in them Hills unrelated

this film, but really the next film. Have you seen the, the release that's coming for, for the brand new Transfers Blu ray? What? Trances Noir, the one that I just spoke about. No, no, no, there's a new, a new transfer that's being released by not, Not Charlie Band. That, that. Oh, I don't know. Yeah, I'll find the link for you to send it to you. Oh yeah, no, I mean I know that they're doing. I know they're doing a 4K that, that is like kind of chrome and black rather than color and they're

calling it Trances Noir. And that's, that's meant to be coming and looks absolutely fantastic. Kind of leaning heavier into the noir tones of trances rather than the Blade Runner ripoff start stuff of trances. But yeah, I mean those, those blu rays and 4Ks have kicked around a little bit. So you know, we'll, we'll wait and see. Zone Troopers definitely deserves its own special edition as well because boy, is this a fun movie. Zone Troopers, it takes war to another dimension.

Yeah. And let's go there right now. Yeah. Zone Troopers 1985 is a magical film produced in the Empire system when they had their beautiful Italian studio at their disposal. And this film, your chief applause synopsis is this. In Italy during World War II. So American soldiers find an alien UFO and that's weak sauce. IMDb again. Oh my gosh. There's so much more to it than this. Directed by Danny Bilson who gave us some, some great, great stuff.

Just talked about him recently, I believe. But writing credits and directing credits are phenomenal from this guy. Directed the Five Bloods recently for, for Spike Lee transfers five Sudden death. Okay. But not as good as the other stuff that he. Yeah. Carrick, where we at here? Worked on The Story of Ghoulies 2 with Charlie Band. Worked a lot of Charlie Band. Wrote the first transfers, wrote Zone Troopers Eliminators. Some pretty banging Empire freaking content,

you know. Wrote a road arena for Charlie Band, helped help develop the John Wesley ship Flash TV show for this, for tv wrote the Rocketeer. One of my favorite. Again, the guy knows how to do World War II perfect films of the 90s. Is the Rocketeer to me, I love it to death and didn't get a big reception. But you know what? It's love now and that's all that matters to me. But yeah, Billson's got some cred, man. And it shows in this movie. You know, working in that system and also written by Bilson

and Paul Demeo and another Empire guy. But this, this stars, you know, again, half the casting transfers in this movie. Tim Tom is the Sarge, who you may know as Trooper Death and tons of other things from the Transfer series. Rhinestone, Near Dark. Yes, I mentioned Rhinestone because it's a pure good. I'll throw it out there all day long. Art Lafleur as Mittens McNulty for Far From Transfers, of course,

tons of things. The Sandlot. If you guys know Art La Flora Space, he's been in an infinite amount of things. Biff Maynard as Dolan, you may know him as Hap Ashby from the Transfer series. And Timothy Van Patten, the young buck of the group class of 1999. The wrong guys. Underrated comedy. He's in that movie works, works for so long and is, is still, is still working to this day. But you know, his earlier work is, is what I,

I admire the most. And, but it's nice to see a guy like, like freaking Timothy Van Patten still working, directing, producing as well. But yeah, I, I, I, I gotta show him some love. And it shows films. I mean talk, talk about costs. The Wrong guys, man. The cost of the wrong guys. Louie, sorry. Go, you go. Go for it, man. No, Louis Anderson, Richard Lewis, Richard Belzer, Tim Thomason, Brian James, Biff Maynard, John Goodman and Ernie Hudson and Timothy Van Patten and that's just like the top 10

or whatever. Like there's even more down in the, you get Jonathan Brandis in there, Josh Horowitz, Rita Rudner shows up, all sorts of art, the flows in there, as you said. Kathleen Freeman, of course, who we all know from the, from the Blues Brothers and Dragnet and others. Yeah, wonderful. I, I know it's about grown men camping and shit, like little kids. But you know what? I kind of got to rewatch the Wrong Guys now. Yeah, definitely. I can't believe I've never seen

it. I need to see this movie yesterday. It's, it's, it's, it's pretty, it's pretty handy. But it's pretty good though. But this is a film where, if you see the poster, it looks like, you know, your typical alien invasion movie. There's a furry headed alien who you see in this film at the front. You're doing the I want you thing, you know, so if you see this, it looks a little silly as a rental to say, hey,

I'm gonna grab this first. But there's a whole, there's so much meat in this movie, basically the remainder of this platoon is trapped behind enemy lines and Nazi occupied Italy. And they find, they find a crashed alien ship and they find an egg. The egg hatches and makes and comes out this furry head alien that you see on the front cover.

And the Nazis are aware of this. And then they, along with Adolf Hitler, of course, are after the alien and the alien technology with, with these guys, you know, on the run and getting captured. And this, this is, I, I mentioned this in a post. This is about as fun as you can have with a World War II film. It takes all the depression out of it and, and you should be depressed when you think about World War II, but this, this makes it fun. So, John, initial thoughts for you, Sir?

Oh, Zone Troopers. So this is one that I watched earlier in the year or end of last year, I forget when, certainly within the last six to eight months on vhs, because it was one of those, you know, I, I, I buy a lot in bulk for my store. I was last year, not so much this year. And very often you would get, you know, the 15 movies that I would recognize. I'd be like, sure, I'll put those out on the shelves. And then the five movies in the, in the big box where

you're like, I've heard of it. I know that it's, you know, Charles Band and blah, blah, blah, blah, but I've never seen it. Oh, look, Tim Thomas and Art lafleur. Let's put it in. And you know, I was expecting something, you know, cheap and cheerful and watchable, but not necessarily great. The thing that this movie does so very well, and it's

almost like what I was saying about the Dangerous. Although the Dangerous does it for individual scenes because every scene, they're kind of changing genres, so every scene needs to be kind of filmed and shot in a different way. What this does so well, what Zone Troopers does so well, is establishing everything I love about World War II men on a Mission movie. Like, you know, they have a low budget. You know, they're shooting out in, in, in Italy at the studios there and also at the castle

that Charles Band owned in Italy for a while. And you know that they're just using the woodland and the fields around that property. But it doesn't matter the, the first of all who they've cast, every single one of them to a man, absolutely fantastic. Secondly, they each establish their characters and stick to their characters. And their characters are both tropes.

They're tropes from other Men on a mission. World War II movies. That you've seen, but they also just have their own unique, like either Empire twist on them or twist based on the actors who are playing them. And then also the way they shoot stuff, the way they film stuff, the way they set stuff up, it's done really, really well. And then once you through all the war stuff is done really well, all the men on the mission stuff, you know, all the.

Do you have a lady back home, Sarge? And, and you know, I'll trade you some candy for a cigarettes and all that kind of stuff that, that sort of on the sidelines or the periphery of, of like a regular cheesy World War II men on a mission movie. They, they do it all so well. I've got general respect for someone who, who goes, okay, we're gonna make a genre pick. The genre pick is gonna begin World War

II. We're gonna get to the alien invasion stuff a bit later. But basically this is gonna start out as a authentic World War II, you know, daring do, Men on a mission, you know, gee, Sarge, do you think, you know, we'll ever end this stupid war kind

of movie? Right? Those kind of films, if you can get that right, if you are nailing the genre, everything else you add to it, like, you know, aliens and Nazis and crash spaceships and weird laser guns and whatever, all of that will work because you've nailed the initial, I'm already in the movie. You've set your table so well that I'm already suspending disbelief and going, oh, no, that's Tim Thomasin behind enemy lines in World War II. Like, I've already, you've already allowed me to make the

leap and be in the movie. So then if you have heroes discovering a crashed spaceship and there are aliens wandering around a laser guns, I'm fine with that because I like the characters discovering that within the time that I'm expecting to be discovering it. So, you know, and then once they go inside the alien spaceship and again, I'm sure this is just a set that was knocking around Italy that like

Charles Band used probably for 20 movies. I have no idea. But like that long corridor in the spaceship with the pink and the chrome and the wires hanging down and the pipes piping and everything like that. The way it's shot, the way they are inside it, the way it's done, it's done really well. And yeah, okay, it's a B movie alien spaceship and there's rubber mask aliens

running around and stuff. But it's, it's. That is almost time and era Appropriate because what I love about this movie as well is that, you know, there were the, whether it was the EC comics or whether it was like some of the more sci fi stuff or whatever it was from the 40s and 50s, you know, they were already telling those like, you know, saucer men from Mars stories

when World War II was going on. So the idea that you would like blend these two things together and, and put them in the same place kind of fits. Like it all sort of makes sense. So even when they start to blend the genres or push the genres together, it doesn't matter that the aliens are sort of slightly B movie. First of all, I love that I'm all about practical sets and practical rubber suits

and you know, weird little ray guns and I love all that stuff. I'd much rather that than a, than CGI or you know, incredible makeup or whatever. But beyond that, it fits in a meta way within the science fiction stories they would have been telling in the forties at that time. So it just works and it works on all levels and it's super fun and everyone is having a ton of fun and art lafleur gets to knock out Hitler and it's just, it's. I unabashedly love this movie.

Oh man, I feel you in every aspect. And this isn't a film I liked initially on when I first saw it because back in the day I would like eat up everything Charles Band. So I watched this and probably not knowing it was a Charles Band film, but just by the COVID looked really silly. So I, I wasn't feeling it as probably like 11 year old me, but not now that I'm, I'm older. I, And I know you know this, this noir stuff and these old comic book sci fi stuff a lot more than then.

I, I have to love a film like Zone Troopers. I mean the simplicity of it. You know, these four guys, four guys are left from their platoon, you know, left. They, they, they find, they find this thing. And of course the Nazis know about this thing. Kind of, you don't really ask questions how about how, how the Nazis or why they're after this, this, this, this ship. But maybe one of their guys saw it. This is not known. But you don't care because you're in it with these pretty four

charismatic guys. You got Thomason, LaFleur, Dolan and Van Patten, you know, who proved themselves, I mean Van Patten at a young age. You Watch Class of 1982, you knew that kid was going to be a star. I mean just a Charismatic. You know, I forget his name in the movie. He's like the gang leader in class of 1984. I'm sorry. And it just, you knew from that, from then that he was going to be a star. And he, he plays like this dopey foil to these, these hardened veterans who've seen a lot of

combat. He's brand new to it. But the team, the team, their journey. We did reading Monuments Men recently, okay. Which is a film that should have worked like this. But they, they broke up the team in that movie. They kept team together, the other small team. And I love, I love people again, going back to stupid goofy stuff. Like I love this, that the Hack Snyder dawn of the Dead movie. But it doesn't have the same gravitas as the original one because in the original one you have four people.

And in that two and a half hours, you give a shit about those four people and those four people alone. This, this, this builds these characters from characters that you don't know at all. And they, they, they make them fun. You know, I'm gonna call them hap Ashby and McNulty. When they get captured, they're together. This is the only time they really separate. And the charisma is, is all over this thing. And I, I, I love

the quick jabs of the Nazis. I love the, the, you know, not, not naming anything but, but, but their name, rank, their name, rank and serial number. You know, that, that whole deal and just, just them getting the better of the Nazis like the whole time. And you throw in this, this alien plot to, to where you love Don Doler. You know, the effects of this film reminded me of the Night Beast effects when he would hit him with the ray gun. The simplicity of like, hey, we got these ray

guns that will disintegrate anything, including a tank. You know, it's cheesy ray gun sci fi. And you're there for every step of the way with it and. Right, because it's leaning into, it's leaning into the filmmaking that feels, you know, like I say, it's almost meta.

You know what I'm trying to say that where, like if you were World War II guys and all you've been used to watching on the big screen was sort of those very early like, you know, sorcerer men from Mars type movies or mantle, one of those, like, you know, those sort of big scary move or the thing, you know, and, and if you're, and maybe that come, maybe that's more the 50s, but still, if you're used to watching that Kind of stuff. And the alien you meet in the forest looks like

one of those guys. Because I think Charles Band, both for budgetary reasons but also just for fun reasons, is like leaning into those like rubber suited alien monster dudes from those very early movies. It works on a meta level to me, you know what I mean? Like, I get why the soldiers don't think it looks like a cheap guy in a suit. They think it looks like a saucer

man from us, you know, And I love that. That's my favorite thing about, you know, the Vince McPent character is like the childlike wonder that he has that these other guys don't have because he, he's the type of soldier that would go to I guess like the commissary or wherever they buy things from soldiers. It would buy those nickel novels and embrace the camp of like the sci fi or like Billy the Kid having unreasonably, you know,

high powered gun skills. This is the kid and I think that's why he's so important to the plot is to really sell the fantasy, you know, to the other guys. And so I think Charles Banner's film really leans into like. And I love, I love the end of this movie because you know, are you going to write about, about, about him? He goes

like, we have no proof. How would they believe him? Because we'll put it in one of those, those fantasy things that you see that amazing cover art of the Zone Troopers comic book and you, you get and I will say in the mood, I'm sure, which was by this time public domain by now the big band song that plays throughout the film and reiterations of accents the film so well.

And oh, I was going to say that the other thing that works so well and you know it's library music and you know, it's probably, you know, music you could use for free or the copyright is up on it or whatever. But that 40s swing jazz or even the sort of 40s men off to war like dun dun dun dun da da da. That kind of stuff is used so well in this movie. And it reminds me of, you know,

Holy Grail. Originally with Holy Grail they had written, they had had Neil Ennis, the guy from the Ruddles, but also just a renowned music guy from Bonzo Dog Dooda Band and various other places. And he wrote a soundtrack on all authentic medieval instruments like lutes and sackbutts and stuff. And they went, it just doesn't work. You need. They went to library music because they realized that what people were used to was not authentic period stuff

from that. They were used to Arthurian movies in which, you know, sword swashbucklers did all their swashbuckling to, like, rousing, thumping, orchestral, you know, kind of songs, right? So they rescored Holy Grail. And once they put more of that. That theme in Holy Grail, the more they went, oh, this, this looks authentic now. Because what we were used to was the authenticity of the movies we watch, not necessarily authentic music at the time. Similarly, with a World War II movie,

you need that stuff. You need that Glenn Miller sounding stuff you need, but you also need that Great Escape type stuff. You've got to have that big band, that swing jazz, those, like, military marches. Because if you don't have that, for whatever reason, we are conditioned as watchers to want that soundtrack on our movies. So Charles Band getting either library music, free uncopyrighted music, or having his own music done in that style again, they nail the genre. And once you nail the genre,

you can put anything in it. And I'll go with you on the journey. And. And that's what this movie does better. Than anything I gotta create our credits do, because I watched the credits all the way down because I was curious about the music. And Richard Band recreated all this and made all this with an orchestra. So, so, so credit where credit's due. Richard Band, I mean, I mean, he's famous for, you know, ripping off Hitchcock with the reanimated theme.

But this, this is probably, you know, with the military, you know, jive that he. He creates and the recreation of the swing music. Probably my favorite Richard Band score now is Zone Troopers, I have to say. Did you notice? And I noticed it only in a little bit of a scene, but when McNulty looks over the ridge with the journalist guy and they see the Nazi camp, right, they. They. They're off hunting a deer or something

and they find the Nazi camp. The music. So you've got the rousing World War II music, but within the orchestra someone is playing. And it's not exactly the. The Darth Vader march from Star wars, but it's very close. Very close. There's a little. Just woven into the theme. A little bit of that, you know, that little, like, piece of music. And it's in there. It's not exactly the same. It's a lot more like. Like bumbling. I'm trying to look for the word here. Like,

like more playful than that. Like a playful version of that, though. You know, nobody, he just weaves it in and I think he weaves it in to be like, you know, this is the real, you know, authoritarian, authoritarian enemy. You know what I mean? This is the real empire or whatever you want to call it. And I don't know all the Star wars terminology because I don't care, but you know, yes, this is, this is the evil empire, whatever. And, and he weaves it

in just a little bit like that. And also because you know, there's a sci fi bent to this movie. Why not have just a little bit of snow, Star wars music sneak in there? I don't know. The whole thing was charming as fuck. Charming af, as the kids say these days. Yes. And because the moment, the moment the thing comes out of the egg, you're like, wow, this, this isn't a xenomorph.

This thing's kind of adorable. You know, the whole, then Ben Patton's you know, love for the thing and you know, it shines because eventually later on, you know, when the other aliens come and that they make it, they make a good point, you know, why they don't want to help them. We don't, we want to help you kill your own kind. Because this is probably something they've been going through, you know, for a long time with their, with their cultures.

But you know, the whole fact that freaking Joey, Tiffany, Pat's character, you know, has made friends with this guy and you know, helped him when he was hurt and yeah, this all comes into play later, but it just plays so well. There's nothing mean spirited about this except for the Nazis. But even then they got the upper hand the whole time pretty much whether, even when they're captured, making sarcasm, freaking Dolan is shining on about the Geneva Convention

while he's sitting in a cage next to a German shepherd. Perfect for, for Hitler because Hitler was obsessed with German shepherds. It's just the, the little in this movie is littered throughout and I, I love everything about it. It's, it's, it's so, it's, it's so good. It's so good. Yeah, I mean, and again, there's no explanation at the end as to why half the aliens are these weird little bug looking furry anthropomorphic creatures and why some of them look like

a David Bowie music video. It doesn't matter like that. You just assume that they come from a planet that has, you know, multiple creatures and multiple races, some of whom look different and some of whom are different or whatever.

And like you say the American soldiers ingratiate themselves enough and, and help out the Aliens enough that in their absolute time of need, when Thomason has done everything he possibly can to keep the Nazi hordes at bay, that they ride in like the, like the weird furry mantis having. They have those like mandible mouth things like the, like the bugs like ants or you know,

praying mantis or whatever. But those guys, and the David Bowie guys, all with new wobbly helmets as well, the David Bowie guys suddenly have these like big metal helmets with big wobbly wires and stuff on them and they show up with their cobbled together ray guns. I listen everything about it is an absolute delight and a joy.

And I think we've, you know, when someone wants to go ahead and make a war movie these days, or when someone goes ahead and makes a sci fi movie these days, there's so much expectation now that it's going to be, you know, serious to some extent and that the effects are going to be top notch to some extent and blah,

blah, blah, blah, blah. And it means that we lose a little bit of the playfulness, we lose some of the fun, we lose some of the silliness, we lose some of the joy, we lose some of the have a go get it done yourself, shoot it in your backyard kind of aspect to these movies. And I don't know man, I miss that in filmmaking. And it's why going back to the, the VHS era so

often just produces jam after jam. I mean these two movies we've talked about today, I don't know, man, like they, you know, I don't, I'm through making lists or saying where things appear or whatever, but, but they are, they're now two of my favorite films, you know, I mean they slot right in to. Okay,

those two are two of my favorite films. It's like when I, and I love discovering weird gems and the Dangerous and Zone Troopers, you know, if Trances and Reanimator and Castle Freak and even films like arena and Ghoulies and others that Charlie Band had a hand in are more well known than Zone Troopers. Other Zone Troopers isn't well known. It's just that most of Charlie Band's other output is well known. More or more well known than Zone

Troopers. Like when you go that one tier down and go, I'm gonna take a look at Zone Troopers because it works perfectly. And you know, it was like they had Thomason and the Caster Trances out in Italy and they were like, ah, fuck it lads, let's make one more movie. You got a long weekend, let's just do some Alien shit in my backyard. You know, it's, it's, oh, it's a joy. It's fantastic. Yeah, I agree with everything you say. And yeah, if you guys haven't seen

it, I, I, you were not taking that plunge. I, I'd say go, go find a version of this to watch because it might be a YouTube somewhere, but right now it's an MGM plus and fave some, which I hear, I hear good things about that. Streaming service is free, I believe so. So go check it out. Foursome's the new Chubby. Once Chubby started making its own Once Chubby started making its own films and its own shows,

it's not long before Chibi goes to dogs. Because every single streaming service that started making their own programming basically up and, and ignored the fact that when they started out as a streaming service, their plan was to bring B movies to the masses. So Folsom has shown up and gone, all right, I'll bring B movies to the masses then.

Nice. Yeah, this, this is, I, I use the phrase appear good a lot, but this, this is if you're looking for a World War II movie, you know, you're not looking for like limbs being blown off or nothing like that, or nothing like hopefully depressing. You just want like a, a feel good film with some, some chums that have to be soldiers, you know, hanging with aliens and you know, outwitting Nazis. Zone troopers is, is 100% for you.

And I would show this to my novice, novice sci fi friends just, just to, to enjoy it. Yeah, I mean the only, the only genre trope it's missing is one of the Nazis should have been played by an old British character actor. Do you know me? There should have been like a, I don't know like a Trevor Howard or someone or Donald Pleasance or someone like that. Just in a cameo as like a ridiculous Nazi common commandant. It's the only thing the movie is missing is

some like, because British character actors have always played Nazis. You know, like that's a, that's a genre trope. Like right up until Indiana Jones. You know, the, the funny, the funny thing for people in England who watch Indiana Jones the Last Crusade is that Hitler is played by the teacher that was in a long running kids soap opera about a Jew about a school called Grange Hill. And he was like the evil teacher nobody liked and he ended up going ahead and playing Hitler in Last

Crusade. So you're going to have a British character actor in that. The only thing this movie's missing. See, I, I think like I would call it a showcase Nazi in, in this mix of a film. I, I think it might have hurt the plot a little bit. I mean, not the plot, but like the, the camaraderie of the characters. Like I did there was. Because there was never a time in the film where, you know, the Nazis got the better of the Nazis broke their spirit.

If I had that, that character, that, that, that Nazi character, the prominent Nazi character who, who broke Art Lafleur's spirits to where he like, maybe he wouldn't have punched Hitler. I, I, I, I think that it would, it would have took something away from it for me. I don't know what it is. Yeah. Oh yeah. No, I'm not saying let's change the plot. I'm. I mean, right now you got kind of like a, like a, like a, a bunny film that happens to be a war film that

happens to have aliens in it, but it works so well. Yes, but I think like, if you have like that drama in there to like break, break the spirit at all of these gentlemen, I think it would hurt the film. I think it would. Okay. I just meant, you know, the prominent Nazi they have right now, he doesn't have a lot of lines, but you know, just the big smiley faced guy who's like posing by the alien ship or whatever. Just like the, whatever. I'm just saying recast him with

like some British TV actor. That's all I'm saying. I don't mean like change the script or make him more compelling or whatever. I just mean the only thing that's missing is like some weird, you know, British character actor who just came over to Italy and slummed it for a day or two. That's all. I mean, I don't mean change anything about the movie. The movie's perfect. I get you, man. I get you. I get you. Totally.

Yeah. We both recommend this film, obviously, but I would kick it to John and say any, any final things you want to say about Zone Troopers, my friend, go for it. No, I think I've said all that I want to say, but just basically, I mean, Tim Thomason, absolutely fantastic in the film. Tremendous. I mean, everyone loves him as Jack Death. You better love him as like the weird pervert Mike in Volunteers. But yeah, this is in the pantheon now. Great Tim

Thomason performances. He's just like Tim Thomason, like average stand up. Like he was a stand up, right? That's, he kind of came up with Seinfeld and a couple of the others, that kind of era. And he was an average stand up but just low key, a phenomenal actor like just doing performances way above any of these movies deserve. And that's as, as you should do you like along

with others, Donald Pleasant, Wings Houser, Michael Moriarty. A lot of the guys that I love, the reason why I love them, they show up in movies like this and act like they're in Lawrence of Arabia and David Leans is making the movie, you know what I mean? And so he is just, I mean just tremendous. They all are. The whole cast is. But like Tim Thomason, there's no need for him or no

expectation for him to be this good. And he is this good. And the last thing I'll say about it is I think the other thing a movie like this can do and this again for, for guys out there. I always love when I'm talking about these movies to kind of give a little recommendation to guys out there who are making low budget stuff now. Because good writing, even if it's one or two lines, good writing can go a long, long way and it doesn't

have to cost the earth. It's a really good way to elevate low budget films. And when talking about Thomason's character in the movie, and I'm going to forget which character says it to who, but someone talks about like, oh, the Sarge seems to be a bit gruff or a bit whatever, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Doesn't he have any friends? Oh no, the Sarge doesn't seem to want to make friends. I think he says, and the other guy says, sarge doesn't have a lot

of friends because he doesn't like losing them. And it is one of the best. Fuck, it's one of the best lines in a movie, period. Because it says almost everything you need to know about why Tim Thomason is the way Tim Thomason is in the movie and why his character is and why, you know, and the whole aspect of war and the whole aspect of camaraderie and the whole like it says so much in one line. If you can whip two or three of those

lines into your low budget movie, they cost nothing. But whatever you're paying the actor to stand there and say them. And yet they elevate the

films way, way above their budget. So watch some of these B movies and see how they use the one liners or you see how they use the economy of dialog or economy of language if you know you're going to be using either untrained actors or actors who, you know, came out of stand up are actors who have only worked in boom movies or whatever have already worked in B movies.

And you want to, you know, keep the script sparse, but when they do speak, have them say some damn cool things like, the Sarge doesn't like to make friends because he doesn't like losing them. It's just such a great line. So that's my little tip to low budget filmmakers out there. Watch a bunch of these movies and then go, what? What? What? Elevates them above their station. And it's the writing and it's the music and it's stuff that

doesn't have to cost the earth. And so, yeah, I would just take pointers from these movies, go back and then put them in your own films. Because sometimes I watch low budget stuff now and I'm like, what? You've tried to recreate. You've tried to recreate gore so that it looks like Evil Dead, or you've tried to recreate nudity so that it looks like, you know, some mid-80s, you know, sex gore slasher flick or whatever, and you go, all right, okay, you've got some gore, you got some nudity.

But, like, why should I care about this movie? And sometimes you can make a movie like Zone Troopers that has none of that. And it's 10 times more entertaining than any movie that does have that. So I don't know, Just, just. That's my little nod to low budget people out there. Write a couple of cool lines because it just makes your movie so much better. That. And go ahead and watch both these movies, please. Go watch them, watch them, watch them. Tell your friends, tell your

enemies, spread the word. And let's get blu rays of all of them out here. And the ending is so perfect because, you know, Thomas as the Serge, you know, he sacrifices himself for the platoon and he just shows up as this dark figure. You know who it is, because, you know, Thomas can't die in the movie. He just simply says, anybody got a butt? And they give, they give him the last cigarette they have because, you know, he's the sergeant. He just saved the day.

And I just love, I love this ending, right. Right down to, you know, the, the big band music. In the end, when they show the Zone Troopers comic book, it just. It's so perfect and quick. Short notice. He has like the little. He has like the little Bugs Bunny, like, black soot face. Like the thing explode, the grenade exploded, but all it did was like put soot all over him. Like a kind of Wiley Coyote or something, you know? Oh, yeah, it's Wonderful.

A couple quick trivia bits to have on here in first film shot and produced by, by Charles Band in Italy. So that, that's, it's a pretty great first attempt at that because it looked, it looks terrific and everything looks great. And this, this could be playing into the next show. All these guys again we, we mentioned what appear in the Wrong Guys with Louis Anderson, all those great character actors and Brian James actually served in the National Guard with Tim Tom, so there's that.

So I, I, I, I have to ask now, you know, do you think the Wrong Guys would be our next VHS choice for, for when we hop over to the diner and do, do, do in the parade way on that, on that show? Yeah, I will happily do the Wrong Guys. It could be a fun comedy kind of fun comedy for sure. Oh my gosh, I can't believe that Brian James and Tim Thomason served in the Army Reserve. How, how bad. They were both cooks in a tank company. Both of them were. How fucking cool is that?

It's pretty cool. It's pretty cool, you know, to, I mean, giants of men, Giants of the genre, you know. Yeah, yeah. I don't know, man. Like Tim Thomas, a dude, it's just, you know, he's up there with, with the, Brian James is with the Lance Henriksen. It's like if you see Thomas's name on something, put it in, man. Watch it because like at worst it's going to be, you know, a B movie that doesn't go anywhere. But he's amazing in it. And at best it could be fucking trances.

Zone Troopers volunteers, you know, any of the good Thomas and shit, man. Can I tell you the plot? The nemesis? I really can't, but I can tell you I enjoy the hell out of it. And it's better because Thomas is in it, you know, it's better because of that, right? Oh, Thomason's like the only good It's insane. It's insane. Action surrounded by Tim Thomas and that's fine, you know. But yeah,

Zone Troopers, it's a high recommend. Like I said, it's, it's, I hate to hate to use the term feel good World War II movie, but this film pulls it off at the, in 85 minutes and you're rooting for the good guys the whole time, which some, sometimes you need that you need, you know, mindless, you know, war movie where, you know, the good guys aren't really in that much danger. Throughout C2 you're rooting for them to win. Although they do, they do lose one in the movie, and it's

very sad. But you know what? It's. It's. It's great. It's just. It's just amazing. If you haven't seen Zone Troopers, if you have to let the VHS cover our foia, this is. This is a gem. And I know it gets a lot of love from my peers as well, so there's that. Yeah. And losing one of your soldiers in the course of the mission is also a genre trope. You have to have, like, the. That's one out of four, though. So it's kind of like got that dawn of the Dead aspect, you know? Right. But you have

to have that, you know, tell the kids back on the farm, Johnny. You know, you have to have that moment, like, when the guy's dying and he's got to say something and, you know, I. I don't know like that, to me, just. Yes, it's sad. No, of course you don't want them to go, but it's. It's. It's what you signed up for. You know what I mean? When you go into a movie like this, you. You expect a. A scene like that, you know, and. And you'll see the same kind of trope in, like, a Vietnam

movie. You know, Vietnam movies steal a lot of the, like, World War II stuff. There's always a soldier that dies. Someone's always cradling someone's bloody head while they're spewing their last words. Like, it's. It's. It's a. It's a familiar trope. I want it in there. You know what I mean? As sad as it is, I want it in there. No, I'm not saying

it's not necessary, but it has. It has that dawn of the Dead vibe because, you know, when Roger gets bit and Peter has to shoot him, you know, when you lose a character in dawn of the Dead, it has an impact because you. You've lived with these characters for, what, 20 minutes before that, and when you lose one, it has a big impact because you've been with him the whole time. Great. And. And, yeah, and just the fact that, as I say, they just nail everything

so successfully. And it was sort of like that, you know, with the. The Dangerous was like, every time they attempted a new scene in a new genre, I'm like, I couldn't quite believe they were pulling, like, the ninja scenes look like ninja scenes, and the film noir scenes look like film noir scenes, and the buddy cop scenes looked like buddy cop scenes. I'm like, it's, it's kind of wild how they are pulling this, this off because it was,

you know, totally all over the place, but, but somehow successful. And I think that's, that's what it is. Like, plant your feet firmly in the genre that you want to tell this story in. Whip in a few, you know, one liners. Don't be afraid to use genre tropes and cliches that you've seen before because the audience expects it. They know what they signed up for when they put the tape in. Like, you know, the audience

wants a little bit of that. Just find your own way to do a twist on it, you know, And I think if people focus more on that than like, man, I don't know about making this movie. I got to put a lot of, you know, blood, guts, tits, you know, car wrecks, whatever in it. Sure, all of that helps. And if you can afford to do it, do it. But, but I, I don't know, man. Figure out the basics first. I see too many movies trying to be grindhouse films without

ever really knowing what went into making an actual grindhouse film. So I don't know, figure out the, the basics first and show me you can make a movie with the basics and then, and then layer on all the other shit because that's just window dressing to, you know, you got to get me to come into the store and enjoy the store. You know what I mean? So that's, that's what I would say to low budget filmmakers. Go watch these two movies and

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taking this journey with you for sure. I, I'm, I'm, I'm always, I'm always down like a clown to, to talk with my good friend there, John Cross. And it, it usually turns the shenanigans. And they're very, very good shenanigans. Oh my gosh. But yeah, what I got coming up, by the time this comes out, you should have heard a brand new Last Call of Torchies by now. You should have heard an episode which Mike White

I did about toxic dudes. We did the men's Club from 1986 and then the Company of Men from 1987. Now these are films that, you know, may discuss you as far as the subject matter goes and the way the men talk to the film. But, but they are very well made films about toxic, you know, with amazing performances in them. But beyond that, X is on hiatus right now. X is doing some family stuff. I'm not going to get into that because it's not, it's not

my business. But you know, either way, Suzanne may show up, but in the meantime, it's going to be really, really a smorgasbord of people. I, I mentioned a Mike White about doing more with me because, you know, since my, my co hosts aren't always available. So I'm gonna reach out to Mike to do some more stuff because, you know, for a guy who, who's as busy as Mike White is with the projection booth and everything else, he still takes the time to

take a chance on me like he did. I, I don't know, 12 years doing the show now or something like that, where the man literally gave me a handbook on podcasting to say, hey, you know what? Go out and play and, and I, I, I tribute to him and, and Mike Murphy for, for making me what you're hearing right now. The, the confidence to be on the Microphone. But I may reach out to Doug Tilly and Duncan McLeish, hopefully, because Duncan has been, has been MIA

from podcasting lately. So I hope I can convince him to say, hey, Duncan, you just want to do something random with me, you know, like, like the good old days. This, this is what I'm after, is the good old days, which makes me so good, makes me feel so good to record with John Cross here because it reminds me of, you know, the good old days were. I say this all the time. The Internet is not toxic, people. If you go on the Internet, you find a buddy with common interests.

If you see a post about a film that's new to you, but you've never seen it, and that film is fucking bonkers. I, I see this so much time, so, so many times. So take the Facebook, take to Instagram, maybe not so much X, but take to those places you might find joy in a person or in a film or in a chocolate chip cookie or whatever the it is that brings you joy. And just this ugly ass world of ours, it's gonna make your, your day brighter. Okay,

here I am going Mr. Rogers and all your asses. But you know, you guys, no, dude. I'll, I'll, I, I will say the same thing, man. I'll echo what you're saying. You know, podcasting since 2011. I got into it because of my good buds over the Profondo Cinema podcast that was just legendary at the time and what an incredible show that was. And through podcasting, as I say, haven't made a lot of money. It'll never make my name a household name. I don't want

it to, I don't need it to. But I have made friends who are now family and will remain family for life by doing this thing of finding a pal, talking to once a week about a movie that we love. And not only that, but it has led towards, as I say, discovering jam upon jam upon jam, which is if you are creatively fueled by movies, you're always looking for that first time bite again. You're looking for that little jab of excitement

that you first got when you first saw your favorite movie. You're looking for that. That's what you're looking for. Yeah, sure, you can put on something that's comfort food. We all like to do that as well. But you're looking for, like, the first time you bit into that juicy steak and it tasted like no other steak.

And you know, you do that by, by going on these journeys with your friends and, and, and Being brave enough to figure out some movies that otherwise, and apparently according to IMDb, do not get a lot of love. You suddenly go, oh, my God, these are. These are movies I'm gonna watch annually now because I love them so much. And so, you know, I can't speak higher of, you know, the Internet is a tool. It's how you use it. And entirely too many people

are using it to bitch and moan at each other these days. I get it. I understand why. I get the fear, I get the anger. I get the division. I understand it. But if you all just took a deep breath, if you all just took a deep breath and instead were like, well, wait a minute. What movies do you like? What music do you like? What? And I know people are like, well, that's ignoring the issue. It's not ignoring the issue. It's pivoting the conversation to something we can all

agree on. And once we're all in a mode of agreement, we could then maybe circle back to what's actually the issue, and maybe we'd then be in more of a mood to have a friendly conversation about it as opposed to a bullshit conversation about it. So, anyway, that's it. I'm just adding to the Mr. Rogers Ness of it, but in my own callous way. But that's it, my friend. I love you. I love all the people I met through podcasting. And long may we continue, because as I said,

I watch the. The Pump up the Volume. And there's that amazing scene at the end of Pump up the Volume with Christian Slater being like, these are your airwaves. Don't let them take. Take them from you. And at the end of the film, everyone has started their own radio show. Well, everyone can start a podcast now, and everyone has started a podcast now, and that's absolutely fine. But the only way we keep getting to do these podcasts

and. And get heard doing these podcasts is if we support each other, if we share each other, if we like each other, we comment on each other's posts, that's the only way this works. Otherwise, all the people who pay through the nose for their podcast, all the celebrities and. And news people and all the rest who have podcasts who just shit out interview shows every week, and no one learns anything new, and it's all just repetitive garbage. They win. Well, don't let them win.

Share, like, comment on the independent stuff, the stuff that. Where we're digging deep and doing the cool. That's all I'm gonna say. I'm done now. Thank you. Oh, my gosh. This is. This is all important, though, brother. But yeah, this is the end Syby podcast for this time around. But this has been your Cinema Beef podcast. And I say your every time because I mean that in my heart, man. Where if you got beef, we've got the grinder. See you all next time.